RyanChandler
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What are your thoughts on this bull? Overall strengths and weaknesses? Looking for comments regarding his structure and the expected performance characteristics associated w/ a bull of this type:
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What are your thoughts on this bull? Overall strengths and weaknesses? Looking for comments regarding his structure and the expected performance characteristics associated w/ a bull of this type:
OH Breeder
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On the profile he shows lot of depth of body and rib. Without seeing him move he looks structurally sound, plenty of set to his rear leg. I like him.
Breeding? Is he a purchase prospect?
Breeding? Is he a purchase prospect?
kfacres
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the wrong color for a commercial operation- atleast in the midwest where roans take a huge hit...
Could work for making steers though...
Could work for making steers though...
RyanChandler
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Color aside.. what you think bout his makeup, Jody?Cut the BS said:
kfacres
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Chandler said:
I like what I see- from this angle.. I like his design (even though that's a hog term), I like the structure perceived to be correct- hip/ hindleg- like the foot and bonework.. Might extend him some in the front 1/3... but more times that not- the longer necked they are: the harder keeping they also are. I personally, like the color-- but I think red is so BLAND>
I have found that the really good female makers- are long and extreme necked as babies-- and then once mature get masculine and short/ fat necked... They make the keeper females around our place.
What I would question: Seeing a roan shorthorn bull- with that much body... how was he fed up until this point- and where did he originate (state/ program/ climate).
My next question would be: What is, and what is NOT in his pedigree-- would dictate how much interest I would have in breeding to him... Which could be a legit thought of mine.
RyanChandler
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Martindale The Answer. Lot 2 in the KY sale. *x4171271. I wanted to see more replies before posting the pedigree but maybe many viewers recognized the bull and were reluctant to comment bc of the politics involved with an upcoming sale?? Who knows??
I like this bull a good bit. Ive hated on trump bred cattle for yrs solely bc of their hard doingness. That being said I don't see that type in this bull. He's huge ribbed with a very deep flank. His rear qtr extends down nearly to the hock! The shorter neck is a huge plus imo. Like was said, there is a real, indirect relationship between neck length and fleshing ability. I just don't see the characteristics associated with hard doing cattle in this bull? Despite his pedigree...
I like this bull a good bit. Ive hated on trump bred cattle for yrs solely bc of their hard doingness. That being said I don't see that type in this bull. He's huge ribbed with a very deep flank. His rear qtr extends down nearly to the hock! The shorter neck is a huge plus imo. Like was said, there is a real, indirect relationship between neck length and fleshing ability. I just don't see the characteristics associated with hard doing cattle in this bull? Despite his pedigree...
kfacres
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Chandler said:
Interesting pedigree-- 3/8ths Trump-- two shots of Durango 774--- broken record
I don't know the Martindale people- never met them, never used any of their gentics- don't have any idea of they're feeding program... but
Quite a few of the Topside of the pedigree animals-- also have that similar look-- and I question they're real world functionality...
Compared to his contemps... bottom half for bw- number 1 for growth... doesn't suprise me.
The Martins are good people in my book. I would say the bull has had good care, but doubt seriously if he's been pampered all his life. It gets kind of old when people constantly say all Trumps are hard doers. This is simply not true. The ones we've got have not been in a show barn all their life and do just fine in the pasture. If this bull looks deep and soggy to you, I would wager that it is because that is the way he is, not because he has been pumped, filled, injected, or whatever else you might think of. The Trump X Rose T90 (Durango) line is popular because it works for a lot of people. In my opinion, it looks like it worked again here.
kfacres
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oakview said:
yes i agree. (thumbsup)
Okotoks
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I have always been impressed with the photos of Durango and a lot of his offspring. Steinke's have raised some good cattle and Durango seems to be a bull they have used a lot. Being a TH free son of Improver 57 makes him interesting. Even if we don't use a bloodline (let's face it it's pretty hard to use them all) a person should be able to appreciate the good qualities in an animal!Chandler said:
RyanChandler
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If I were to buy him and send him up to Okotoks, would YOU use him?Okotoks said:
trevorgreycattleco
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That farm has had shorthorns as long as I been around. I never been there. For that bulls pedigree, I will say he is about the most impressive bull I have seen out of those lines. Would I use him? No i wouldnt. He is still a good bull tho. Id say he has had his share of grub but if they are going to a sale, they better be fed or you will take a beating. Is he asterisk free? Only way okotoks will use one is if he is pure 
I bet that bull will be the top seller of the sale. There was another bull I saw advertised. A bloodstone I think. This bull made that one look pretty rough. No offense to anyone just my opinion.
I bet that bull will be the top seller of the sale. There was another bull I saw advertised. A bloodstone I think. This bull made that one look pretty rough. No offense to anyone just my opinion.
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Well Trevorgrey is right, he is way too appendix for me! In our herd book he would be about a 7/8. I know commercial breeders that would use him and if he is as good as his photo there are shorthorn breeders up here that would use him as well. He has good actual numbers, BW,WWand YW.Chandler said:
Jasmar
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This is our bull and thanks for the comments. The bull is just what the picture shows. Here is a color picture that is better quality. This bull has not had one bite of show feed in his life. We feed a 3 way mix of soyhull pellets, corn glutton and crack corn 1/3 of the ration and the rest of the ration is just 12 percent protein feed. Certainly not hot feed. We have used this bull, he ran with 8 cows from Nov. 24 until Dec.15 and the picture was taken on Dec 29th. He is just a complete bull. His mother is an ideal cow with a perfect udder who calves like clockwork.. I wish i had a pic of her to share. As was in the sale footnotes we are using a maternal brother sired by a full blood red maine anjou we own several years ago. The second pic is of him at 18 months. I will agree with some of the other post that he shouldn't look like what he does by his pedigree but he does. His sire is one of the easiest fleshing animals we have ever owned and many would argue that he shouldn't be because of his pedigree. The third picture is of his sire(Sull Final Answer) as a 2 year old. He had already sired 20 calves naturally at that time, and went on to win senior champion bull at the 2010 NAILE. Again thanks for the comments.
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It is 1/3 3 way and 2/3 12 percent. We live in hardyville ky which is in south central ky. We are about 1/2 half way between louisville and nashville just off I-65.
kfacres
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Jasmar said:
Thank you-- is the 12% a brand name- or something local? How long have you been feeding it?? If it can turn a 3 way trump-- into something like this... It MUST be good
;D (lol)Jasmar
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They are both local feeds but this is not a "feed" bull. He has always eat with other bulls and never been pampered.
mark tenenbaum
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This bull is a son of a full sib to Final Solution-who is NOT AN EASY CALVER-but throws a great look:I had a Final Solution out of a 0 BW 10 year old cow that was 18 pounds heavier than anything she ever had-but he was also the best-including a hiefer who was the "class dwarf at the National show"but stood second as a calf,and was an All Amer Honoree etc.Long and Short-Whatever Martins tell you overall ,and on the cow side IS WHAT IT IS. They are the straightest shooters you will find,and certainly one of the most consistent quality herds in the breed-in a vey tough location for Shorthorns. I also think the DMCC Enticer bull pictured is the best bull they have had since Durango:maybe the dest ever.I dont for the life of me understand why they dont put him on Cattle Visions and SEK. ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD USE HIM-NOT JUST SHORTHORN PEOPLE.There are alot ofclub and commercial guys-who would use him roan or not,because of his performance-and CE-whch I talk about all the time-MY broken record cattle O0
Doc
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I've seen the bull in person in person & he is what you see. The Martins are super good people & real knowleagable cattlemen. Their cattle are usually at the top of the sales they are in , because they are in demand. Their cattle work for commercial & purebred breeders alike.
