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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2010, 08:59:09 PM »
Not to change the posts subject but knabe, what does an extre vertabrae effect and is it a pro or con?

the meat that would come from an extra vertebrae isn't bottom round.  the con would be there would have to be more scrutiny for strength of top.

there is one angus line out of wye's that has an extra vertebrae.

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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2010, 10:37:27 PM »
So back to walks alone how is he structually and how does he look when he's not all done up

He reminded me of an iguana...extremely slick, lizard front end, 4 legs out on the corners and kind of moved with a swagger.  He is extreme in a lot of areas I thought, and very moderate in stature.  That will tell you how to mate him up properly I guess.  Matt Lautner mentioned him on his blog the other day as well... http://mattlautnercattle.blogspot.com/2010/05/our-evaluation-of-last-years-new-bulls.html Hope that helps!

Here is a pic in his everyday clothes from the stud...
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2010, 10:44:01 PM »
bluff what did you think of the "northern ice" bull pretty sure he was only a couple pens down from walks alone, also a mature bull
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2010, 10:48:31 PM »
bluff what did you think of the "northern ice" bull pretty sure he was only a couple pens down from walks alone, also a mature bull
I remember Thriller, Hangover, Copyright, Walks Alone and Eye Candy all in the same spot of the one barn.  If Northern Ice was there, I overlooked him or missed him.  Sorry...
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2010, 08:32:16 AM »
Do you have any more pictures of bulls that were at the stud "Good or Bad".  I like some of the bulls that you mentioned but never seen them in person and would like to see what they look like in their "worken clothes". Thanks

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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2010, 10:23:20 AM »
That's a pretty darn good picture of Walk's Alone.

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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2010, 11:00:16 AM »
Looks like a real bull instead of fur ball.  I still think they ought to advertise more mature photos of these bulls when they look like that.

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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2010, 12:50:51 PM »
I was at both studs on Saturday. Eye Candy and his son Nasty Habit looked great. EC was in a big pen and travelled really nice. Walks Alone also looked good. A couple of the new bulls looked really rough after they spent a month or two at the stud. Sometimes there isn't much meat under all that hair. The HW clones 11, 12, 13  looked good. Sound and in really good condition. Not much for nuts though. The most impressive bulls were at Nichols. Stands Alone, The Gift, Special Edition, Black Powder, Walks on Water all looked great. The Gift is really thick and cool looking. Another bull that really impressed me is the sim bull A Cut Above. Looks much better in person than his picture. Very correct and gentle as a dog.
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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2010, 04:25:38 PM »
Looks like a real bull instead of fur ball.  I still think they ought to advertise more mature photos of these bulls when they look like that.

I agree.

I think that some (not all)of the bulls kind of fall appart as they mature.

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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2010, 04:51:32 PM »
Looks like a real bull instead of fur ball.  I still think they ought to advertise more mature photos of these bulls when they look like that.

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If we use an unproven bull and have bad results we don't go back. Why not show the bulls both fixed up and natural. I prefer natural. there is a place for a variety of bullls. Just because they are not the most massive boned etc doesn't mean they won't work. I have enjoyed seeing mature pics that have been surfacing on some of the club bulls. Some of them have really stood the test of time. A foot of straw and hair can really make a ford pinto look like a mercedes benz.
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2010, 08:24:48 PM »
A great photo is the key to marketing, and that is what sells a majority of the semen.  Very rarely do people go through the studs and study the bulls like they should.  And in the end, very few bulls will look good enough to photo as mature bulls as well.  There are a few that will still work on the right cows, even though they look tough, and there are also good looking bulls that won't sire the right kind either.  It's just another tool to make an informed decision, and talking with others that have used the bull so you breed them to the right cows.  If you are within traveling distance, and are serious about your breeding program, it would benefit you greatly to go see the bulls.  It's an eye opener!!   :o
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2010, 08:47:04 PM »
So back to walks alone how is he structually and how does he look when he's not all done up

I just went through the barns at Hawkeye two days ago. I will be honest and will say that I did not see many bulls there that I would even consider using. I know that these bulls are in stud, and they are probably never going to look worse than they do there, but..... I was sadly and totally disappointed. I will qualify what I am saying by saying that I have raised cattle all  my life, and I am used to looking at lots and lots of cattle, in thinner condition or in their everyday working clothes. I believe this is the most honest way of appraising cattle. Here is my opinion of Walks Alone... he has decent muscle ( I did not find him to be exceptionally well muscled). He should not ever be used on heifers. He has the most prominent shoulders of any bull in the stud, if fact, I feel this is a major problem with the bull. He does have decent body length, but I would have to say he is NOT a tremendous herd sire. Sorry folks, but that is my opinion. I saw many bulls at Hawkeye and I left wondering where the cattle industry would be in a few years, if these were the only bulls used to produce future generations. Quite frankly, I was surprised, shocked and a bit depressed!
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2010, 08:24:13 AM »
So back to walks alone how is he structually and how does he look when he's not all done up

I just went through the barns at Hawkeye two days ago. I will be honest and will say that I did not see many bulls there that I would even consider using. I know that these bulls are in stud, and they are probably never going to look worse than they do there, but..... I was sadly and totally disappointed. I will qualify what I am saying by saying that I have raised cattle all  my life, and I am used to looking at lots and lots of cattle, in thinner condition or in their everyday working clothes. I believe this is the most honest way of appraising cattle. Here is my opinion of Walks Alone... he has decent muscle ( I did not find him to be exceptionally well muscled). He should not ever be used on heifers. He has the most prominent shoulders of any bull in the stud, if fact, I feel this is a major problem with the bull. He does have decent body length, but I would have to say he is NOT a tremendous herd sire. Sorry folks, but that is my opinion. I saw many bulls at Hawkeye and I left wondering where the cattle industry would be in a few years, if these were the only bulls used to produce future generations. Quite frankly, I was surprised, shocked and a bit depressed!
It's a sad testament to the cattle industry, but I whole heartily agree with your assessment Grant. In the past 3 years of going through the studs in Iowa I have never came home with more than 3 bulls total that I would consider using. I try to get through both studs as many times as possible during the spring collection period B/C I just can't use a bull unless I get a chance to see them anymore.

Grant did you happen to be one of the partners in on Red Reward? I thought that he was a good complete bull.

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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2010, 04:57:45 PM »
I agree CAB!  Although these little fuzzy calves are fun to look at in the fall, we need to realize that BEEF is the end product we are producing!  I hope people keep that in mind in their breeding decisions this spring, and will overlook the hype and the promotion, and use some functional sires that have some soundness and maternal function as well.  I think we are seeing a shift anyways in the showring to more functional cattle that can still convert feed to end product. 
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2010, 05:41:52 PM »
JIT was there any REAL world bulls there or just show cattle? I have never been to that stud. What bulls were you impressed with? Just curious.  <beer> I am excited to read your comments bluff! I have always wondered why there was such a  difference between show and commercial cattle. I have only been farming 11 yeras now. I guess I am a outsider lookin in when I say that. No hard feelings.
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