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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2019, 06:14:47 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2019, 09:21:11 PM »
.... but is the swirl in the right spot?


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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2019, 09:30:07 PM »
.... but is the swirl in the right spot?

Nice deep bull. Whatcha got there? The swirl is tremendous.
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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2019, 09:51:24 PM »
Galloway bulls typically have good heads.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2019, 09:53:32 PM »
.... but is the swirl in the right spot?

Nice deep bull. Whatcha got there? The swirl is tremendous.

He's a Bonanza son. Now a year older than the pic with his first daughters calving soon. Threw a couple 1/2 sib to 1/2 sib matings in his daughters first calf crop to get the party started as quickly as possible so, we'll see how it shakes out.

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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2019, 10:42:21 PM »
Enticer is by far the most influential-far reaching Shorthorn bull in the US history of the breed


by what criteria

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2019, 11:11:58 PM »
By virtue of the criteria in the begining of quoted post not quoted in this one-just a sentance or 2 An abbreviation of 30 years plus or minus-There are more performance oriented cattle that go back to him than anything in the Shorthorn breed in the US as stated-with some overflow through him and various decendent  sires to other countries-You might start with Byland,Moores, Dedmon, Waukaru and even UB Shorthorns up to Canada to:Shadybrook, Crooked post-JIT and a bunch of sires eminating from all these and more Just follow the Daisy chains in fact BUT WAIT-you not only have the "years ago progeny", THERES MORE.  A descendent that was National Champion bull in Denver 3-4 years ago called BISS Element from a Canadian great-or Grandson O0

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2019, 11:44:01 PM »
seems his type and performance from that type is not relevant?

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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2019, 08:30:22 AM »
That or a bad picture O0

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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2019, 08:32:53 AM »
That or a bad picture O0


for a posed a clipped bull, i seem to remember a bad picture epd.


maybe the ASA can donate 20 units of semen to the illinois shorthorn sire trial?

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2019, 09:54:41 AM »
There probably isnt any-Go to Enticer on Short.org-wade through progeny-Look up Byland Goldwalk-wade through progeny-follow that To Waukaru after Gold Dust, Gold Member,Arsulu Vann yatta yatta-wade through progeny-A week or so from now when you get done-if we can ever find out what bulls were used in this ILL study used-wade through pedigrees But-given the other  bulls that made an impact on the breed like divedend rodeo and certainly Millbrooke Mark IV and G-9) who also had long heads-I have surmised through this intense academic task-That Shorthorn bulls with long heads rule LOL O0

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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2019, 07:38:05 PM »
That or a bad picture O0


for a posed a clipped bull, i seem to remember a bad picture epd.


maybe the ASA can donate 20 units of semen to the illinois shorthorn sire trial?/// Speaking of which-heres a list of the bulls used  https://shorthorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Sire-Test-Update-Matt-April-2018.pdf      Not looking at extended pedigrees-a kneejerk count-has six of the fourteen sires going back to him-If i took the time-there would probably be more O0
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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2019, 07:35:21 AM »
I did not ever use Enticer, as I did not like the way his offspring sloped off from hooks to pins. I was told by very good authority ( by a man who was involved in raising Enticer) that his dam was the Reserve National Champion Maine female in the US a few years before. This was a trait pretty common in Maine cattle in that era, so I am tending to agree with what he told me. Unfortunately, this type of thing happened in many breeds in that day, as it was before DNA testing. The only tool available to verify purity was blood typing, and it was far from being totally accurate. I remember talking with the head of the blood typing lab at Ohio State, ar the Graham Land and Cattle dispersal in Minnesota, and he confirming that most breeds were infusing cattle from other breeds. He said that some Milking Shorthorn blood types could slip through the blood tuping tests in Angus and that they had found 7 full blood Maine bulls that blood typed as purebred Shorthorns. I also remember getting a phone call from a well known Angus breeder in that era, asking me if I knew where I could find semen from McKee's Matchless Dairyman, a red Milking Shorthorn bull. This guy told me that this bull sired solid black calves when used on Angus cows and they also blood typed as purebred Angus. This wasn't just a Shorthorn thing. I believe the advancements in the past few years, with DNA testing, have cleaned up a lot of crap that was happening.
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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 07:50:19 AM »
Enticer passed that roll along for a generation or 2 with Deertrail Awesome being an example-along Pancho and Cisco etc. Goldwalk had some of that-along with his other trait-HIGH BWS-But for whatever reasons-alot of that got moderated-GFS Creole and his sire were the first 2 I remember-And Creole and the many Gold Versions are still very prominent as far as functional cattle that would be considered performance and ez calvers-There have been a ton of them. O0

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Re: Bulls Heads
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 07:55:00 AM »
Just had a granddaughter of Enticer calve a few hours ago. For being a heifer she is mothering up well and has a nice udder. I would definitely be ok with removing 3" of leg and putting a better looking head on her.

 

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