Calf Color Question

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Warrior10

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I have a Sunseeker heifer who will calve in next couple months. My question is if she is black with some white on legs, head, stomach and tail and is bred to PB Red Angus bull what color should the calf be?
 

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If Sunseeker throws red (which OB says he does) you have a 50% chance of having a red calf if the sire is Red Angus - I would also think that since the Red Angus is solid patterned you would get a solid patterned calf
 

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Thanks for the help, figured calf color is a way would could tell if she stuck when we AI'd or if clean up bull bred her. (Clean up bull is PB Angus, AI bull is Fat Tony)
 

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It is my experience-- in breeding over 200 Holstein marked, speckled, roan, or whatever zebra striped deals to a Red Angus calf-- that from anything but black based cows-- the calves will be solid red.  From black based, regardless of spotting pattern-- the calves will be black.  These should not be true, homo black geneotyped-- yet every single one had a black calf..

Only in one instance, did something other than solid red- or solid black come out--  it was a roan calf from a roan heifer. 

O= I forgot, we did have a partial blaze face, come from an almost solid white light roan...
 

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If you're heifer is homozygous black, then her calf will be black regardless of whether the calf is sired by a red or black Angus. It may or may not have some white on the face or feet, but probably less than what she has.

If the cow is heterozyous black, meaning she has one gene for black and one for red, then she has a 50% chance of the calf being red instead of black. It could still have a little white on it, but it won't be spotted...face/feet/tail/underline only.

If the calf is red, it's very likely out of the Red Angus bull unless there is some chance the black clean up bull, although is purebred Angus, might have a red gene. If the calf is black, you cannot assign a sire based on the color of the calf. The best way to determine whether a calf is AI sired is to keep up with your breeding date and calculate the due date for that mating. If you don't have that record, then you would have to DNA the calf to confirm parentage to a sire.
 

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Sunseeker I am almost positive is not homozygous 320398. He has Who Made Who and Heat Seeker in his breeding. So he could carry the roan gene and Who has a tick of hereford in him as well.  Sunseeker usually throws a tick of color.

if you are worried about parentage. Igenity or one of them has a tail hair cheap DNA test.
 

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The genetics of the MGS are really less important at this point than the genetics of the female in question. Regardless of whether or not Sunseeker has red gene, this female may or may not have it (unless her mother is red...then obviously she's heterozygous black). If her mother is black and her sire is heterozygous black, she has a 33-50% chance of being homozygous black herself. As for the white/spots/roan/whatever...the Red Angus or Angus sire will be homozygous and dominant for non spotting, so there shouldn't be any spots. The genes that put white on the face/feet/tail/belly can still express white in those areas in calves that are heterozygous for spotting which I'm guessing your bred female would be if you knew her genotype.
 

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Judging from the side Profile of Fat Tony-and the video of that hiefer-Id say YOU CAN COLOR IT GOOOD-make sure and let us see the calf. Of course-if Id try and breed something into a super female like her-t would be some  square Shorthorn hip and pin sttings Just My Barn Blind Predjudiced opinion  (clapping) <beer> O0
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Judging from the side Profile of Fat Tony-and the video of that hiefer-Id say YOU CAN COLOR IT GOOOD-make sure and let us see the calf. Of course-if Id try and breed something into a super female like her-t would be some  square Shorthorn hip and pin sttings Just My Barn Blind Predjudiced opinion  (clapping) <beer> O0

Thanks, pretty excited about the calf....but more excited about the calves that will come in following years!
 

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