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Steer Planet Chat => The Big Show => Topic started by: SEA on March 12, 2019, 04:17:32 PM

Title: Calvo Family Red Angus?
Post by: SEA on March 12, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
Can anyone tell me much about Calvo Family Red Angus in the Sandhills of South Dakota?  I saw their Bull Sale advertised and am curious about their “Type” and cows and cow families.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Calvo Family Red Angus?
Post by: WinterSpringsFarm on March 12, 2019, 08:57:23 PM
I know nothing of the breeders you asked. However if you are looking into red angus cattle I urge you to look into Lonesome Creek Angus (LCA)
Title: Re: Calvo Family Red Angus?
Post by: aj on March 17, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
I saw their also. I don't know much. Whenever I get a sale cattle log..........the first thing I always do is look at the dams of all the cattle selling. Did that outfit raise the dam? How about the grandam? To me it tells me whether or not the outfit has a plan or program. If the dam wasn't raised by the thought is......they're a cattle trader and not a cattle breeder. I spose it doesn't if you are talking about show cattle. To me.....a breeder should be stacking traits or stacking epds or type or something.
Title: Re: Calvo Family Red Angus?
Post by: knabe on March 17, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
for example, lets take two embryo's in a sale that has the same picture and label it with breeder number 1 that has the highest average sales each year and the other, a smaller breeder.

that calf will have a significant price jump in the sale of the leading breeder.

everyone knows this so they "cattle trade" by putting those animals in pedigrees to attempt to get some sort of premium over their own cattle which may in fact be more consistent, better suited to a life without supplemental feed, etc. this is done to attract buyers who don't want to pay the premium of breeder #1 but still have those genetics and perpetuate the process.

almost everyone knows it and we keep supporting this pyramid scheme.

on the other hand, maybe someone is just starting out, finds animals they like and are just going through the motions of any starting out producer instead of changing breeds every 5 years, maybe they infuse popular genetics every so often.

it's only human.

maybe compare the above scenario with changing breeds often. not sure that's a winning strategy either.
Title: Re: Calvo Family Red Angus?
Post by: knabe on March 17, 2019, 07:09:36 PM
product of three or more breeding programs and some cattle trading.