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I purchased these embryos, and the sire of dam is not 3c macho. I called VeaBea Thomas (owners) and she knows about the problem. my problem is I have two heifers and a bull now that I don't know what they are.... anybody ever had a problem like this?

Offering: Embryos
# of Embryos: 3
Sire of Embryos: Mr HOC Broker
Donor Name: Ms Trista 7875
Sire of Donor: 3C Macho M450 B2
Dam of Donor: 4165
Breed: Sim-Angus
Comments: 7875 is a powerful halfblood Sim-Angus donor out of 3C Macho that certainly draws your attention. Her mating to the National Champion Simmental Bull Broker should produce some exciting calves. 7875 has already produced sale toppers for Thomas Ranch and Doris, the tradition will continue here!
Seller: Chris Polzin 612-916-0105 For shipping contact Leslie Polzin 320-282-2497
Location: Darwin, MN
 

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My assumption was you did DNA on the calves? If the sire of the flush is purebred, why can't the calves then be registered as half bloods out of a commercial cow?
They should have some record of who the cow could possiblely be out of?
 
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I called the ASA to get a blood test kit and they said the donor is not approved to be flushed, because she has never had a blood test done on her. i asked the ASA if there was any way to register the calves and they said no. the donor is a 2007 model that they purchased as a calf, Veabea said marathon, red hot, black excel, perfecta, or heat wave could all be the sire..... does anybody have any knowledge about these bulls?
 

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I know the feeling. I bought a set of pb simmy embryos a couple years ago. I called about registering the calf but they did not have the dams DNA on file. I called the breeder and he has been fighting with the ASA(whole different story) but they will not let me register the calf either because they need dams DNA
 

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This is a situation where cattle such as these can be registered with the Composite Beef Cattle Registry. www.compositebeef.com

The Composite Beef Cattle Registry is open to all cattle producers that have a need for registering their animals to identify, track, document and maintain the ancestry of past generations and future offspring. Through performance testing, we provide true multi-breed genetic evaluations to breeders on traits that allows for comparing of animals regardless of breed composition.

The Composite Beef Cattle Registry offers an affordable and efficient system to register cattle of any breed or combination of breeds. We also register cattle that do not qualify for registration in a registry due to percentage of blood, the breed crosses, or the breed herdbook is closed or there is no registry.
 

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Your frustration level doesn't always improve with access to the dam. With a different breed association I sent in a blood sample on a cow that was flushed out of a cow on this farm to register a set or IVF heifers.  Knowing the popular, much used bull the dam was out of I listed him on the paperwork. According to the DNA work he hit on only 4 out of 15 markers on the cow.
 
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If you go to the ASA website and look up the cow, she has no progeny (males or females) in her report at all.  Many time commercial bull buyers don't mess with getting or requesting the papers.  On the link you provided it dows say that ASA registration is pending.
 

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Also noticed on the bulls in the sale out of this cow, they were born the end of March and first part of April 2014 and are showing ASA Registration pending.  In looking at the other bulls in the sale born around the same time, thay all have registration numbers.
 

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Hilltop Genetics said:
there has to be other people that has purchased embryos out of her... they sold choice of broker or upgrade at the black hills gold rush sale on feb 3 2014 and Chris Polzin has sold several lots online.Thomas is selling yearling bulls out of her in there sale catalog.

http://d3s7yb5qtsmwow.cloudfront.net/dvauction.com/catalogs/1_Spring%202015/Thomas%20Ranch%204-14-15/HTML/index.html#51/z

I greatly appreciate all the replies!

I guess if cow is alive why can't she be DNA'd? Or are you saying she is deceased? That just seem right with the association. If you provide DNA on donor dam? It doesn't say they can't be registered it says you will be charged a penalty. Right from their registration rule book.

American Simmental Association DNA Requirements

DONOR DAMS - In order for a dam to qualify for ASA’s donor program, she must have DNA markers on file with us before she is flushed. This requirement applies to Simmental donor dams, as well as donor dams of other breeds. Upon testing, the dam will be confirmed to any parents whose DNA is on file. If any embryo calves are reported out of a dam that has not completed DNA testing, the owner will be charged a penalty fee of $180.
 
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these are the calves that I had, does broker have the ability to throw red calves? red heifer, hereford bull (lol), the other heifer is a black baldy( pic is to large to download )
 

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Yes, Broker can throw red calves. He is heterozygous black. I found that out when i had 3 out of 4 broker heifers come red out of my hetero donor cow.
 

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  Even if you consider the donor, let's say commercial, you still can't register them Foundation Simi sired by Broker? Is the cow a genetic carrier of one thing or another? It doesn't ring quite true IMO.
 
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Thomas has not had her tested for genetic defects, if she was clean then they could register her as a commercial cow, and then I could register mine as foundation simi ..... you got to remember im not the owner of the donor so my hands are tied!
 

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Hilltop Genetics said:
Thomas has not had her tested for genetic defects, if she was clean then they could register her as a commercial cow, and then I could register mine as foundation simi ..... you got to remember im not the owner of the donor so my hands are tied!

So they advertised and represented the dam as a half blood and registered. if she isn't half blood or registered then its their job to make this situation RIGHT. i would be terriblely upset if this were me. Its the owner's (donor)job to get the cow tested and register her appropriately so you do not suffer consquences. If they were repubtable breeder they would make it right. I had to DNA my cows prior to flushing them. i certainly wouldn't have flushed and advertised a dam without knowing the rules or regulations of the association i was targeting to register calves. I feel for you. But if the dam is foundation stock they are worth half blood and the donor's owner pay the fine.
 
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