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Title: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Ruebush Shorthorns on April 29, 2008, 09:15:59 AM
Has anyone used the HeiferPLUS or BullPLUS that Cattlevisions is offering?  I think it would be awesome if it is easy to use.  Apparently it slows either the Y or X chromosomes in the semen so that the opposite desired chromosome for the preffered sex of calf you want reaches the egg first.  Just wanted to ask what evertone else thought or had heard about these products.  if you are unfirmiliar with the proiducts checkout cattlevisions.com.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: RSC on April 29, 2008, 09:43:20 AM
Has anyone used the HeiferPLUS or BullPLUS that Cattlevisions is offering?  I think it would be awesome if it is easy to use.  Apparently it slows either the Y or X chromosomes in the semen so that the opposite desired chromosome for the preffered sex of calf you want reaches the egg first.  Just wanted to ask what evertone else thought or had heard about these products.  if you are unfirmiliar with the proiducts checkout cattlevisions.com.
Would love to hear more about this.  Would like to know if this will work in a flushing situation.  Cowboy are you around?

RSC
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: kanshow on April 29, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
I just read about this on Cattlevisions.  I still have a lot of unanswered questions before I'd use it but it does sound interesting.   I'd love to hear Cowboy's take on this.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: GLZ on April 29, 2008, 11:07:54 AM
It is very interesting.

If you go to emlabgenetics.com, there is quite a bit of information on it there.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: RSC on April 29, 2008, 12:02:05 PM
Has anyone used the HeiferPLUS or BullPLUS that Cattlevisions is offering?  I think it would be awesome if it is easy to use.  Apparently it slows either the Y or X chromosomes in the semen so that the opposite desired chromosome for the preffered sex of calf you want reaches the egg first.  Just wanted to ask what evertone else thought or had heard about these products.  if you are unfirmiliar with the proiducts checkout cattlevisions.com.
I viseted with Lance Elsworth about this product this morning, very interesting.  The gentleman that developed the product is very credible in his opinion.  He was a pioneer in the development of CDRS and some ET develolpment.  The product has been used very successfully the last 3 years in the Dairy business.

You will get a small Vial that you would connect your straw to and let it incubate in the thermous for around 20 minutes.  The semen is then transfered back into the straw and used.  A freind of his used the product and said the process is idiot proof so I guess it would work for me. (lol)  You should see a 30% increase in the sex you want on Heifers and 25% on Cows.  Does not decrease conception rate and would work for flushing.  For a flush you would need a dose of the product for every straw you bred her with.

Hope this helps,

RSC
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: kanshow on April 29, 2008, 12:13:14 PM
Simple logistics question..  if the straw is 1/2 cc and the vial is 1/2 cc then don't you end up with extra mix that won't go back into the straw?  Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: RSC on April 29, 2008, 12:15:45 PM
Simple logistics question..  if the straw is 1/2 cc and the vial is 1/2 cc then don't you end up with extra mix that won't go back into the straw?  Or am I missing something?
Great question, If I get the chance I will ask.  Hate to call him back right away as he said his phone has been ringing off the hook about this product after they did an email blast on it last Friday.

RSC
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: kanshow on April 29, 2008, 12:18:19 PM
Looks to me like if that is the case, then you should be able to inseminate 2 cows with one straw.   
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Cowboy on April 29, 2008, 04:16:31 PM
Folks, I was going to discuss this very topic soon, but now I see it in print, and while I am waiting on the embryo freezer to finish, I will let you know a few things I am concerned about -- meybe for nothing but any way -----

First of all, with today's some what limited quality semen on some of these matings we all use, I am personally not too keen on waiting an addition 20 minutes ( which will be longer by the time you prepare the set up) to go breed a cow with already challenged semen. That does concern me some.

Secondly -- unless these KITS come with a new straw in the kit -- you will NOT be able to re-raw the semen back into the old straw -- reason being -- the cotton plug end has this set up -- cotton -- PVC powder - Cotton. Once this is wetted, it becomes impermeable to further asperation, simply put -- it PLUGS the straw to prevent any thing from coming out or going in!

Unless they send you a new straw, this is going to be nearly impossible to pull back into the straw -- plus you will need a 14 gage needle to fit the 1/2 cc straw -- a 1/4 fits a 16 gage needle.

I am getting at least 5 different sets of this product sent to me for testing from a few of my customers. I will most definately report back as to how easy it was, how it all came together, AND most importantly -- what kind of results we achieved from fertilization after this trauma to the semen. We won't know how well it worked as far as sexing goes until much later at calving time!

As if we do not have enough challenges any way with a few of these donors, now this. I am excited if it will work, but it could be a nightmare if this just takes away the last little bit of GOOD from some of this semen. Not running it down yet, but I am concerned to start with with no direct experience. Will let you all know soon, say in less than three weeks I think.

Smile -- sun is shining here finally!

Terry
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Jill on April 29, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
I would say there is a lot of HYPE in any product that advertises that they can give you the "heifers, bulls or steers you want to produce" last time I checked you could only get heifers and bulls out of a cow, if they get a steer this would be a miracle product!
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: kanshow on April 29, 2008, 05:09:06 PM
Thanks for the info Cowboy!     
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Jason on April 29, 2008, 05:14:43 PM
Interesting to see how this actually plays out, very intriguing
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: RSC on April 29, 2008, 07:21:19 PM
Folks, I was going to discuss this very topic soon, but now I see it in print, and while I am waiting on the embryo freezer to finish, I will let you know a few things I am concerned about -- meybe for nothing but any way -----

First of all, with today's some what limited quality semen on some of these matings we all use, I am personally not too keen on waiting an addition 20 minutes ( which will be longer by the time you prepare the set up) to go breed a cow with already challenged semen. That does concern me some.

Secondly -- unless these KITS come with a new straw in the kit -- you will NOT be able to re-raw the semen back into the old straw -- reason being -- the cotton plug end has this set up -- cotton -- PVC powder - Cotton. Once this is wetted, it becomes impermeable to further asperation, simply put -- it PLUGS the straw to prevent any thing from coming out or going in!

Unless they send you a new straw, this is going to be nearly impossible to pull back into the straw -- plus you will need a 14 gage needle to fit the 1/2 cc straw -- a 1/4 fits a 16 gage needle.

I am getting at least 5 different sets of this product sent to me for testing from a few of my customers. I will most definately report back as to how easy it was, how it all came together, AND most importantly -- what kind of results we achieved from fertilization after this trauma to the semen. We won't know how well it worked as far as sexing goes until much later at calving time!

As if we do not have enough challenges any way with a few of these donors, now this. I am excited if it will work, but it could be a nightmare if this just takes away the last little bit of GOOD from some of this semen. Not running it down yet, but I am concerned to start with with no direct experience. Will let you all know soon, say in less than three weeks I think.

Smile -- sun is shining here finally!

Terry

Cowboy, it's good to see you reply on this subject.  I was busy when we talked and once I hung up I remembered I forgot to bring this subject up.  If it is easy to do, I will be very interested in trying it.  If I could increase heifers on a flush by just 15-20%, I would be very happy.

RSC
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Show Heifer on April 29, 2008, 09:09:21 PM
Can't say anything about this product, but I have flushed a cow with sexed semen and it turned out great!!! Watch out for my shortie heifer show string!!!
So I guess I am not sure why if you wanted bulls or heifers you just don't use GOOD sexed semen?
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: RSC on April 30, 2008, 06:08:57 PM
Here's a link to the product.  Sounds interesting.  The testimonial from the Dairy is good to read.

LINK: http://www.cattlevisions.com/heiferplus.html

RSC
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: knabe on April 30, 2008, 06:16:53 PM
when all dairies use this product, the profit on wet heifers will go down and the profit on bulls will go up as they search for replacement bulls.  what the ratio will be will be interesting.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Jeff_Schroeder on April 30, 2008, 07:07:47 PM
It only gets to about 80% one sex vs the other.  The dairy guys would be more than happy with the amount of bulls they get out of it even if it were even 99%.  They all use the same 10 or so bulls any way.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: RSC on April 30, 2008, 09:56:32 PM
Hit the link for instructions  on how to use the product.

LINK: http://emlabgenetics.com/Documents/HeiferPlusProductInformation-Word.pdf

RSC
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: GONEWEST on May 01, 2008, 01:12:14 AM
With ultrasound you can find out if the fertility was good AND the sex of the resulting calves in less than two months. This should be easy to test.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Matriarchy Farms on June 04, 2008, 03:25:41 PM
Simple logistics question..  if the straw is 1/2 cc and the vial is 1/2 cc then don't you end up with extra mix that won't go back into the straw?  Or am I missing something?

The vials do not have liquid in them. They have a small amount of a freeze-dried powder. The powder disolves when mixed with the semen. The Volume of liquid does not change.
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: red on June 04, 2008, 03:34:33 PM
 (welcome) Matriarchy Farms!
Title: Re: Cattlevisions $12 semen sexing solution???
Post by: Show Heifer on June 04, 2008, 09:13:11 PM
There was a study posted on several other sites that stated that this product did absolutely no good in determining sex of the calf...in fact, one of their studies  the results were completely opposite of what it was suppose to be.
Think I would either buy sexed semen, or do the hoochie-coo dance.
(I flushed a cow with sexed semen and had excellent results!!)