Charolais and Herford Bull Questions For a Friend of Mine

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 9, 2012

I have a friend of mine who has a registered Angus cow that is about 6 years old. He is looking for a good Charolais or Hereford bull to breed to. The type of bull he is looking for is something that will be good for show quality, add muscle, thickness and still have strong EPD's. He wants to stay away from club bulls. His cow has done well on the show seen with the calves she has had. He wants to do F1 this go around. He is also looking at Simmy's too but I gave him a couple that I think would work good on her. I don't do the Charolais or Hereford seen and not sure what out there is good and will work for what he is looking for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks everyone. <beer>

Mark H · Jan 9, 2012

The exact recommendation on both the Charolais and Hereford breeds will depend on several factors such as does he want a bull to produce steers? cows?. How much calving ease does he want? Have him look at the bull books and tell us what bulls appeal to him:
Semex: http://www.semex.com/di/beef/i?lang=en?lang=en&beef=list&av=U&cat=&breed=CH
Genex: http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=BYBREED&Breed=Charolais&lang=EN

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 9, 2012

Mark H said:
The exact recommendation on both the Charolais and Hereford breeds will depend on several factors such as does he want a bull to produce steers? cows?. How much calving ease does he want? Have him look at the bull books and tell us what bulls appeal to him:
Semex: http://www.semex.com/di/beef/i?lang=en?lang=en&beef=list&av=U&cat=&breed=CH
Genex: http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=BYBREED&Breed=Charolais&lang=EN

Thanks I will send him these links. I know that it doesn't matter heifer or bull calf as long as it's alive and healthy. BW isn't really a factor either. He is looking for one that will add muscle, thickness and will be show quality. Plus have the EPD's that are good too.

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 9, 2012

Shadow Hill Farm said:
Mark H said:

The exact recommendation on both the Charolais and Hereford breeds will depend on several factors such as does he want a bull to produce steers? cows?. How much calving ease does he want? Have him look at the bull books and tell us what bulls appeal to him:
Semex: http://www.semex.com/di/beef/i?lang=en?lang=en&beef=list&av=U&cat=&breed=CH
Genex: http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=BYBREED&Breed=Charolais&lang=EN

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Thanks I will send him these links. I know that it doesn't matter heifer or bull calf as long as it's alive and healthy. BW isn't really a factor either. He is looking for one that will add muscle, thickness and will be show quality. Plus have the EPD's that are good too.

I forgot that he wants a bull that is pretty much proven.

kfacres · Jan 10, 2012

crossfire- herf...just heard and seen the first about him from DLD (I think).

Mill Iron A · Jan 10, 2012

Firewater hands down. He is a Charolais in the genes catalog and he will do exactly what he wants from the very brief description you have given us. I don't think a baldy will be stout enough for the steer deal.

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 10, 2012

Cut the BS said:
crossfire- herf...just heard and seen the first about him from DLD (I think).

Mill Iron A said:
Firewater hands down. He is a Charolais in the genes catalog and he will do exactly what he wants from the very brief description you have given us. I don't think a baldy will be stout enough for the steer deal.

Thanks I will definitely pass them along!

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 10, 2012

Shadow Hill Farm said:
Cut the BS said:

crossfire- herf...just heard and seen the first about him from DLD (I think).

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Mill Iron A said:

Firewater hands down. He is a Charolais in the genes catalog and he will do exactly what he wants from the very brief description you have given us. I don't think a baldy will be stout enough for the steer deal.

I pulled them up cause he doesn't have internet to look and printed them out. I have to say wow. I really like both of them! Thanks for again for the info. Cut the BS didn't know if you were interested or not but Crossfire is H/T. None the less thanks! <beer>

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Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 10, 2012

I'm having a hard time trying to find Crossfire's EPDS. None of the cattle logs have it except for SEK and it's just an average.

kfacres · Jan 10, 2012

Shadow Hill Farm said:
I'm having a hard time trying to find Crossfire's EPDS. None of the cattle logs have it except for SEK and it's just an average.

The AHA states this for Crossfire EPDS...No EPDs available

but the bull was born in 06, so he's not young.. I wonder why?

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 10, 2012

Cut the BS said:
Shadow Hill Farm said:

I'm having a hard time trying to find Crossfire's EPDS. None of the cattle logs have it except for SEK and it's just an average.

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The AHA states this for Crossfire EPDS...No EPDs available

but the bull was born in 06, so he's not young.. I wonder why?

Yeah I went there too and got that message. Weird. I think before I found the average on SEK but it was Bovine I meant to put. I haven't seen anything were he's deceased. Who knows.
CED BW WW YW Milk M&G Cow wt CEM Scr Fat REA
EPD na na na na na na na na na na
acc na na na na na na na na na na
AVE 0.4 3.6 44 73 17 39 0.9 0.7 0.001 0.25

Mark H · Jan 10, 2012

Thanks for the clarification. TR Firewater is a good choice for what you want to do. Too bad he doesn't have a group of cows so a couple different bulls could be tried.
Speaking of Herefords look at this bulls: http://www.carlramsherefords.com/herd-sires/roughneck.html

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 10, 2012

Mark H said:
Thanks for the clarification. TR Firewater is a good choice for what you want to do. Too bad he doesn't have a group of cows so a couple different bulls could be tried.
Speaking of Herefords look at this bulls: http://www.carlramsherefords.com/herd-sires/roughneck.html

He does have a group but he's only going to do this with couple from what he told me today. The rest he is breeding to Angus. Thanks for the other link. I'll print it out.

braunranch · Jan 10, 2012

I'd check the crossfire bull for the dilutor gene if you plan to use him on black cattle unless you don't care if you get a smokey. Not saying he carries it but there was a bull called Titan 7777 that was a dilutor carrier years ago and his sire titan 23d is in crossfire pedigree.
Here's a couple home raised Canadian herefords don't have US semen but would anybody consider them for a HERF STEER BULL.

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 10, 2012

Mark H said:
Thanks for the clarification. TR Firewater is a good choice for what you want to do. Too bad he doesn't have a group of cows so a couple different bulls could be tried.
Speaking of Herefords look at this bulls: http://www.carlramsherefords.com/herd-sires/roughneck.html

braunranch said:
I'd check the crossfire bull for the dilutor gene if you plan to use him on black cattle unless you don't care if you get a smokey. Not saying he carries it but there was a bull called Titan 7777 that was a dilutor carrier years ago and his sire titan 23d is in crossfire pedigree.
Here's a couple home raised Canadian herefords don't have US semen but would anybody consider them for a HERF STEER BULL.

Mark H I just printed out the link wow that bull is a tank!! Thanks
Braunranch thank you as well. Will definitely pass these along too. I really like the last 2 myself but I will print out all 3 and give to him. He's going to owe me some INK!! LOL He's not worried about the diluted gene. I have actually pulled up a couple simmy's that may have the spotter and he said that didn't bother. He just wants a good bull that will still throw nice show calves, muscle, thickness and good EPD's to carry on maternally.

leanbeef · Jan 10, 2012

I'm curious what Simmie bulls you told him to check out...

I would also say this...don't get the spot gene and the diluter gene confused. They're TOTALLY different! Baldies are in...I'm not sure how smokes and rattails might be perceived where you are.

I would recommend him taking a look at PRS Blazin' Hot if he isn't considering him already. First calves are nice, and his pedigree and his numbers look like he'll make a real breeding bull.

KSanburg · Jan 11, 2012

Here is a young Hereford bull that may have some potential NJW 98S R117 Ribeye 88X ET and should have calving ease to boot. He is on my short list for this spring for my PB Herf cows. Here is a link to go look at him, www.hereford.com/sire-ribeye88x.htm.

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 11, 2012

leanbeef said:
I'm curious what Simmie bulls you told him to check out...

I would also say this...don't get the spot gene and the diluter gene confused. They're TOTALLY different! Baldies are in...I'm not sure how smokes and rattails might be perceived where you are.

I would recommend him taking a look at PRS Blazin' Hot if he isn't considering him already. First calves are nice, and his pedigree and his numbers look like he'll make a real breeding bull.

The one with the spotter was Explorer. He looks nice but I have a couple of friends who raise simmy's that don't like him. The calves didn't turn out as they hoped. I know that the diluter gene and spot are different. When I talked to him tonight he's pretty set on going the Hereford route. I even told him that I don't know how a smoke color will fair for sale in our area and he agreed. We were definitely taking that into consideration. He really liked Fire Water though and I did too. He's no stranger to cattle by any means. It really sucks for him cause he doesn't have internet so he just goes by catalogs and seeing the shows. We both come from a high Angus raising backgrounds even though I have had a couple of other breeds they always got bred to Angus. It's been awhile for me cause my dad and I just got back into the business a few years ago. A lot has changed since when I raised my cattle. (lol) IMO anyway. I appreciate everyone's input!! He does too! It's nice when you can compare what bulls work and what doesn't! I know all scenarios are different cause one might work great on one of mine and not someone else's. Thanks again!

Shadow Hill Farm · Jan 11, 2012

Mtnman said:
Here is a young Hereford bull that may have some potential NJW 98S R117 Ribeye 88X ET and should have calving ease to boot. He is on my short list for this spring for my PB Herf cows. Here is a link to go look at him, www.hereford.com/sire-ribeye88x.htm.

Thanks not a bad looking bull either and EPD's are pretty good too!! Have you ever used Crossfire? I'd like to see his EPD's but even on the AHA site can't find him.

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