Part Timer
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Going to a sale this coming weekend to that has a Alias heifer that I like. I know everybody wants black but my question is how well will the charlais colored calves sell?
Charolais colored calves
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Part Timer
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What are the odds of getting a black calf out of a charolais cow? How dominant is the cream coloring?
FutureBreeder2013
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smoke steers are starting to become pretty popular
kfacres
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black calf from a purebred char cow- probably unlikely- would result in a smoke
.... black calf from a smoke-- should be a 50:50 option...
.... black calf from a smoke-- should be a 50:50 option...
I think it has to do with your particular area where you live. Around here, there are some Char cattle and the champion steer at our fair was a Char cross this year. The smoke calves around here are very popular and usually sell very well at the local sale barn. But a full Charolais with pink nose probably has to be a super animal to compete with the black ones. I think part of it is the black vs. white hair. The black hair can hide things but the white is just the opposite.
Part Timer
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The heifer is not pure. The sale catalog has her as maintainer/chimaine. The sire is alias and dam is listed as dj reflector x foxy lady. I trying to raise clubbies. I live in ohio but I havent seen to many smokes at the local shows. I just dont want to buy her and not be able to sell the calves for a decent price.
kfacres
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alias is half black... so he should make half black calves...
Vacanballs
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This is if you breed to black bulls...
If you have a smokey female with a black nose.. the odds of getting a smokey colored calf are 1:4
If she has a pink nose.. she should produce all smokey, white, or yellow colored calves..
Your chances for smokey colored calves increase if you breed to bulls that have that white recessive diluter gene in the pedigree..
If you have a smokey female with a black nose.. the odds of getting a smokey colored calf are 1:4
If she has a pink nose.. she should produce all smokey, white, or yellow colored calves..
Your chances for smokey colored calves increase if you breed to bulls that have that white recessive diluter gene in the pedigree..
Freddy
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To register a Charolais composite bull or heifer they must have a registered purebred parent on one side, either the sire or the dam... An I know they mentioned nothing black would be registered...
OH Breeder
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shortdawg said:
You can always register as a chi. Alias is registered Chi.
OH Breeder
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shortdawg said:
If you are a member of ACA =membership 100 bucks Registration would cost $15 bucks register.
If you are a non member it is triple the fee. so it would be $45.
Freddy
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The Ohio B reeder has some very good ideas for some of the Charolais cattle that end up black or that don't qualify for registration..... Before the Charolais Assoc. changed registry on half blood bulls we had been registerting them with the Key Assoc.
justintime
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Here where I live black nosed smokey colored calves will top the market. As long as the order buyers can tell that they are British cross calves, they will sell near the top of the market. I used to run o0ver 100 Charolais cows besides my Shorthorns, and I always bred my Charolais heifers to Shorthorn bulls, as well as about 30-40 of the purebred Charolais cows. I retained the Shorthorn X Charolais heifers and sold them as bred heifers. After selling the first group, I soon had a waiting list for them and they sold out of the yard every fall at premium prices. The crossbred steers always were 7-10 cents above the straight white steers.
My Charolais herd was quite unique in that it was bred up to purebred status from a registered Angus herd. Most of the cows were white, but when they shed out in the spring, you could still see some dark pigment on some of them. They were more moderate framed than most Charolais cows of that time, and most of them still resembled Angus cows in their body shape. The first year I used a red Shorthorn bull on 35 Charolais cows, I had 7 solid black calves. There were 3-4 of these cows that were 7/8 Charolais and 1/8 Angus and the remainder of them were 15/16 or higher Charolais.
It is quite amazing how market trends change with time. When I was feeding cattle, I used to buy lots of smokey colored calves simply because they could be bought for 10 cents under similar tan colored calves. They were excellent feeding animals and they always made us money. The kinky haired rat tailed greys were less predictable, and some fed well, and some did not. They were discounted enough that usually they were very good buys. I used to feel sorry for the producers who were selling them, as it was almost criminal. The same crap still goes on today.
My Charolais herd was quite unique in that it was bred up to purebred status from a registered Angus herd. Most of the cows were white, but when they shed out in the spring, you could still see some dark pigment on some of them. They were more moderate framed than most Charolais cows of that time, and most of them still resembled Angus cows in their body shape. The first year I used a red Shorthorn bull on 35 Charolais cows, I had 7 solid black calves. There were 3-4 of these cows that were 7/8 Charolais and 1/8 Angus and the remainder of them were 15/16 or higher Charolais.
It is quite amazing how market trends change with time. When I was feeding cattle, I used to buy lots of smokey colored calves simply because they could be bought for 10 cents under similar tan colored calves. They were excellent feeding animals and they always made us money. The kinky haired rat tailed greys were less predictable, and some fed well, and some did not. They were discounted enough that usually they were very good buys. I used to feel sorry for the producers who were selling them, as it was almost criminal. The same crap still goes on today.
OB, Thanks for the info - that's probably what I need to do. She's a pretty good rip and unless someone wants her really bad $$$$ she will go in our barn. Only paid $850 for her dam at the sale barn but I knew the herd she came from and knew the breeders of the Char bull she was out of - really a steal and a quality cow.
justintime
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Some of the cows had smutty colored noses. I do not remember any real black noses.
