Club Calf Bull

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gmoo

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Is there a Bull that can be used as a Club Calf Bull as well as a Commercial production Bull?
 

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That is a tough question. From the bulls I have used Hairy is one of the few that would work commercially. The calves were moderate bw around 80 lbs and they grew well. You will have trouble finding a true clubby bull that could be used commercially. There may be some pb shorthorns or maines that would work. I am not sure exactly what you are looking for.
 
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I would say no, but you really just have to ask yourself what am I looking for in my commercial production offspring? You have to remember that most "club calf" bulls were bred for specific attributes and very few of which are favorable in a commercial operation. A commercial operation needs live calves first so you will need a bull that sires calves with great vigor at birth, smaller bone at birth, and not huge birthweights. Then from their you consider growth and that is only considering you will sell all of the calves as feeders... If you want to do anything else commercially with the offspring you really want to steer very clear of club calf genetics in my opinion.
 

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JTM said:
I would say no, but you really just have to ask yourself what am I looking for in my commercial production offspring? You have to remember that most "club calf" bulls were bred for specific attributes and very few of which are favorable in a commercial operation. A commercial operation needs live calves first so you will need a bull that sires calves with great vigor at birth, smaller bone at birth, and not huge birthweights. Then from their you consider growth and that is only considering you will sell all of the calves as feeders... If you want to do anything else commercially with the offspring you really want to steer very clear of club calf genetics in my opinion.
I 100% agree and add to that by saying that a person could bred their cows to a showier type simmi bull or commercially bred Maine bull and keep the heifers as replacements. These females can make very good club calf mommas.
 

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Milkman worked for me.The daughters were saleable, calving wasn't a problem, structure not an issue, quiet, and  the end that did work not work for showring were the big end so and they weighed 651#s in Oct. and were born in late March and April. Calves that are structurally unsound,too small, and over haired usually have a hard time selling at a salebarn.
 

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That's the problem, my kids are grown now and are stuck with a lot of club blood in my momma cows maine, chi, short horn...ect. So I want to convert my herd to good quality commercial herd.
 

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Since you are wanting to convert your herd to a commercial herd I agree with the comments on simmental and on the angus. I highly recommend NLC Upgrade or a step up for PB Simmental, or if you didn't mind going back in time a little or a little slop in their front ends Nichols Legacy. There are a lot of angus bulls to pick from for show I like Pioneer calves alot as well as the Barstow Cash offspring. I am also a big fan of Conealy Confidence. There are alot of ways to go. The Half blood bull United may be your best bet. Pretty hard to beat his numbers and I have seen a lot of calf pics that look pretty darn good. I will use him the most this year.
 

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In that case pick clean bulls. I think comfort zone there a purebred Angus called slider and renegade is clean. Not sure maybe I 80 is clean but don't quote me on that one. But yes comfort zone, slider,rumour has it, renegade blues. Rodgers has one or two clean bulls as well.
 

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I also agree with going with a purebred British breed but you did say you wanted clubby bulls. That's why the bulls I picked above.
 

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oocc said:
That's the problem, my kids are grown now and are stuck with a lot of club blood in my momma cows maine, chi, short horn...ect. So I want to convert my herd to good quality commercial herd.

Go with a true 100% full blood British breed bull and straighten them out.  The right will give you sellable claves in either market, or keep the heifers for replacements.

 

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With cattle at near record prices I would recommend selling what you have and replace with proven genetics.It takes a long time to get back on track.I have seen some 1/4 SimAngus or even the right kind of straight Angus for sale that would put you where you want to be.Some wont agree but 4/5 way cross cows with Clubby genetics can be very unpredictable.
 

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oocc said:
That's the problem, my kids are grown now and are stuck with a lot of club blood in my momma cows maine, chi, short horn...ect. So I want to convert my herd to good quality commercial herd.

OOCC- I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. My husband has 100+ head in his commercial cow/calf operation, but the kids and I are trying to start a herd with more club calf influence. We currently have a whopping 12 in our herd (but you gotta start somewhere, right?) If you decide to sell some of yours, I'd love to talk to you!
 
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