clubby bulls on heifers

i have i few heifers that i would like to breed to some clubby bulls, but i want to make sure that the bull is proven to work well on heifers( little to no assisting the heifer ever would be nice)?

THis is my humble two cents
WHen you look at the clubbier calving ease bulls, they are
Northern Improvement
Elbee's Gizmo
Traveler T510
Ali
Grizz

These bulls are purebred or fullblood bulls. I think every time you breed a clubby or composite bull you roll the dice. I haven't found one yet that has the majority rule small calves. I have seen people use Who on heifers and Heat Seeker without a problem. Then I have also heard absolute night mare's. We made the mistake of breeding a heifer to Kadabara there was a mix up in straws of semen. Long story... When I got the heifers papers back she had a 96# birthweight. She also had a narrow pelvis when I had her preg checked. THe two things combined with a 150# calf, we lost her and the calf. Kadabara has fair EPD's for BW and I have never heard of monsters out of him. But, we do not use anything but proven calving ease sires. The first go around is live calf. I have said this many times, it is the beginning of that heifers reproductive future.

Now I have heard, only heard, Total Solution is turning out to be calving ease. Their are some folks on here I know that have used Rocky Balboa etc. My bet is on what has proven to work in the past. Composite on composite is gambling in my book. What is the breeding on your heifers?

paddy o'mally x angus
buckcherry x angus
morgan direction(angus) x wmw first calf heifer
wassup x charolai

Hey, don't now if this bull is really a proven bull but Rocky Balboa was born at 60 lbs (unassisted). 

I have heard a lot of low Rocky calves but i have heard of calves weighing over 100 pounds with Rocky out of a angus caow

I really like Total Solution's calves and i know he is a calving ease!

I agree with OH Breeder.

I have had several club calf raisers to come look at my bull because he is throwing some really great calves.  I bred him starting January 1, 2008 the day after his first birthday.  He was too short for cows and I used him on heifers.  I pulled every bull calf out of him but the heifers were fine.  His BW is only 2.3 but I would never recommend him for a heifer.  We are going to collect him as several have stated they want calves out of him.  Club bulls throw lots of bone.  My bulls calves are shaped right but the bones are really big.  After we collect him we will sell some semen to Shorthorn and some cross breeding people who like what they have seen.  373477 is Senior Rojo's AMAA #.  He is a PB and is clean PHA and TH by his parents.  The day we weaned him we ran him into the chute and I clipped his head without a nose ring or halter.  He has two little button scurrs.  He throws good hair and shape with muscle from the rear all the way to his ears.

I would say that Ali, Dirty Harry, and Total Solution are pretty solid choices.

does Total Solution add enough depth of rib and guts to his calves

I understand the desire to want a clubby calf from a first calf heifer.  I have tried and tried and have yet to find a sure bet other than your normal calving ease breeds.  The goal should be to get a live calf and  have heifer that will breed back ASAP.  Heifers have a hard enough time the way it is so do them a favor if you can.  I would look for a clubby angus with a BWEPD < 2.5 and a BW < 80 lbs.  OH Breeder has listed some bulls that work well.  Ali might would work if you can afford him.  For me, I would just use OCC Legend.  Might not be real clubby, but will produce a marketable calf.

It's really difficult to find a calving ease bull that produces sellable calves. Ad to that the fact that the heifers out of calving ease bulls, in general, have a harder time calving than those of growth bulls. Sometimes its just good to get a calf. I see alot of Total Solutions and you need to have a really chubby heifer for him. But if you do you will be pleasantly suprised at those calves.

ok one last thought before i put this behinde me
the bulls name is Easy Out i've never seen a calf out of him and was wondering if any one has, or used him on cows or HEIFERS

        Sire: Who Made Who
Easy Out
        Dam: Payback x Double Stuff
his BW 60 lbs
this is the right up they give for him:Easy Out is a bull that is backed by two generations of calving ease (birthweight #60, Dam's birthweight #56). Easy Out may well become the answer to everyone's ultimate goal of obtaining the least amount of calving difficulty, with the most amount of club calf potential. some in the past have used straight bred bulls of various breeds, but come fall any have found little upside potential to generating the dollars needed when putting heifers into production. With many of the most successful bulls of the times (Who Made Who, Heat Wave, Payback, Heat Seeker) being questioned as being too small when young - we fell only those who choose not to use will lose again this time. 

Alpha said:

ok one last thought before i put this behinde me
the bulls name is Easy Out i've never seen a calf out of him and was wondering if any one has, or used him on cows or HEIFERS

        Sire: Who Made Who
Easy Out
        Dam: Payback x Double Stuff
his BW 60 lbs
this is the right up they give for him:Easy Out is a bull that is backed by two generations of calving ease (birthweight #60, Dam's birthweight #56). Easy Out may well become the answer to everyone's ultimate goal of obtaining the least amount of calving difficulty, with the most amount of club calf potential. some in the past have used straight bred bulls of various breeds, but come fall any have found little upside potential to generating the dollars needed when putting heifers into production. With many of the most successful bulls of the times (Who Made Who, Heat Wave, Payback, Heat Seeker) being questioned as being too small when young - we fell only those who choose not to use will lose again this time. 

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The problem with composite bulls is sometimes you do not get consistency. Now, is your heifer also composite? Take in to account the birthweight on your heifer that you are breeding. I have not seen any calves out of him either.

easy out is a double carrier

Actually he is only PHAC. THF

some ideas i have a hefier bred to who made who and one im breeding to total solution

Major's Money Man or Gigolo Joe...Wish I had some Mucho Dinero semen to sell ya, but its a little early for him lol.  Honestly either one of these bulls could give you a marketable live calf out of a heifer.

Lowline bulls work great on first time heifers.  We know of a bluey heifer that Jim Bloomburg (Illinois) sold. He was very impressed with not only the low birth weight but the quality of the heifer. We used a lowline bull on our first time hereford heifers and had 59 & 60 pound calves.  We have several bulls to choose from, including Bluey and Beau.