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Title: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 12, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
Been getting some high embryo yields out a direct dabla cow

Any suggestions on nicks w dabla?
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 12, 2019, 07:02:36 PM
Cunia if she isnt too straight,,Deerpark leader 13 , One of those great fullbloods of Doc Son-If shes got a butt on her-LTD EDITION or maybe Midas-If its linebreeding so be it O0
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 12, 2019, 07:25:55 PM
Cunia if she isnt too straight,,Deerpark leader 13 , One of those great fullbloods of Doc Son-If shes got a butt on her-LTD EDITION or maybe Midas-If its linebreeding so be it O0

If sheís double muscle free, I will flush to two dabla sons.

Thinking of something old.

Cunia is on list.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 12, 2019, 07:27:14 PM
Why limited edition. Because he has no milk?
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 12, 2019, 07:28:32 PM
Also, shorthorns donít allow fullbloods any more.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 12, 2019, 10:03:44 PM
Cunia


she did awesome with denver mint, a cunia son.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Medium Rare on February 13, 2019, 11:17:18 AM
Also, shorthorns donít allow fullbloods any more.

Does this mean your cow is not already in the database as 3/4 Short?
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: PWolfe on February 13, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
Been getting some high embryo yields out a direct dabla cow

Any suggestions on nicks w dabla?

I have a 16 year old Dabla cow that has had really nice calves out of Stud Muffin; she's still with us and doing well. 
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 13, 2019, 03:16:43 PM
Also, shorthorns donít allow fullbloods any more.

Does this mean your cow is not already in the database as 3/4 Short?

Correct.  :(
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 14, 2019, 12:54:11 PM
Why limited edition. Because he has no milk?-The relatives Ive had milked fine-made real good cows- Including daughters of JKB Just Rite and even UB DMCC Panama Red. To me LTD Edition just wasnt thick butted-His full brother-DMCC Vintage-a RWM fullblood-at that time sired a bunch of good females back to the early-mid 90s and a couple sons that did the same. Didnt know on the Shorthorn deal-guess that whole Red Reward deal being 3-4 or whatever is the Last Reward for the priveledged few:considering most of the Maine side of his pedigree was black O0
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 16, 2019, 06:29:48 PM
or maybe Midas-If its linebreeding so be it O0

breeding her to a dabla son would almost be midas as he's double dabla, with some other stuff obviously.


really like the pic of dabla's pride running
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 18, 2019, 07:59:08 AM
Was that Dabla Pride picture a good while ago? Look at the quality of those cows versus what you see from the show pictures in France today. Almost look like a mutation took hold of the breed. That bull must have been a real beast. A guy in Kansas has Vistas sentra semen (Flash) He was the longest bodied prettiest fronted fullblood that Harold Hoskins and Deertrail had come across-Really goosey freaky fronts but wide made O0
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Beltie on February 18, 2019, 10:02:59 AM
I have three units of Covino III you might like to try-

IF not, please advise benefit or downfalls of using that bull.   I know very little about him.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 18, 2019, 11:06:23 AM
I have three units of Covino III you might like to try-

IF not, please advise benefit or downfalls of using that bull.   I know very little about him.

i have semen on a half sib to her by covino III.

covino III is a nice bull.

trying to mate to bulls that are not novino for now as almost everything in breed is cunia, novino.

i will hit those after i run out of other old stuff.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 18, 2019, 03:36:58 PM
was coca cola a cow killer? O0
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 18, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
was coca cola a cow killer? O0


no. definitely calving ease.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 21, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
I heard he did well on Shorthorns-I have too much Hardings Capital Gains-Id sell cheep or trade some for a couple of a rare bull or Oklahoma Clubby Shorthorn etc O0
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 21, 2019, 07:59:15 PM
you find me some englands mega bull and i'll buy some gains.


if that isn't enough of a challenge,


how about beaufort giles, beuafort gallant, bachelors find, newhouse george, scottish echard, elite's polled pride, twin valley's clipper 48c, mr twin valley 30u, mr twin valley 28y
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 23, 2019, 10:01:15 AM
No idea where to get that-never heard of him-I dont even care if I sell it-looking for old clubby or otherwise horn stuff,Id trade whatever
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 23, 2019, 11:42:24 AM
No idea where to get that-never heard of him-I dont even care if I sell it-looking for old clubby or otherwise horn stuff,Id trade whatever


what is your list of old clubby. ildeno?
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Telos on February 23, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
 knabe I'll bite. One of my choices would be Jerry Gibson's JJN Kodiak. They have a picture of him on their site. Like his looks and pedigree. He has super feet and leg design and is really flexible. One of the best fULLBLOODS I've seen. Mother was national champion and a very special made female as well.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 23, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
want to use pre 1980 canadian registerable fullblood pedigree, preferable a direct import or a second gen bull out of an import cow.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Telos on February 23, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
I know how you are Knabe but if you look at the dang pedigree I believe he gives you exactly what you're looking for.

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=460285
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 23, 2019, 06:00:58 PM
i do have calberta kodiak semen.


jerry doesn't dna verify pedigrees.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Louthan Maines on February 25, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
I found some Ike (reg #86) semen and the heifer calf we just had out of a red angus cow looks like she could be an interesting critter.  He is an old French from what I can tell.  My question is on dna pedigrees, if they are purchased US fullbloods that don't look like they have been dna'd, there isn't any real way to get them done anymore, correct?
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 25, 2019, 06:42:44 PM
Ike

Turn in the dna. Get it put in both Canadian and American association.

Request genotype and 50k
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 25, 2019, 06:54:42 PM
Ike is an odd looking bull.

For old fullbloods, they need to be preserved by using them on parentage verified Canadian registry eligible.

Many fullbloods in the American herdbook are not verified.

Ike is interesting as 3 of 4 corners of his pedigree are obscure and therefore useful for sources of diversity.

I can help you with that. :)
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Louthan Maines on February 25, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
Well I have more than enough fullbloods in my tank for my 6  fullbloods cows, I could part with some of it.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: doc-sun on February 26, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
I found some Ike (reg #86) semen and the heifer calf we just had out of a red angus cow looks like she could be an interesting critter.  He is an old French from what I can tell.  My question is on dna pedigrees, if they are purchased US fullbloods that don't look like they have been dna'd, there isn't any real way to get them done anymore, correct?
also reg # 267 in canada with over 100 progeny so could send a straw and parentage verify
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: doc-sun on February 26, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Ike

Turn in the dna. Get it put in both Canadian and American association.

Request genotype and 50k
smooth and solid with adequate bone but droops from hooks to pins like inox
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: GM on February 26, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
Whatís the ultimate goal Knabe?
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on February 26, 2019, 10:17:20 PM
Whatís the ultimate goal Knabe?

Straight horned pedigrees to use moderate old bulls on

Cross with extinct polled line without inox or the count.

Make new blacks.

Capture diversity using old semen that is not cunia, or tall tubey straight unless possessing  interesting traits.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: GM on February 27, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
Very interesting!  Post pics of the offspring
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on May 15, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
Got 15 embryos from Dablas pride.

Breed and start again next year on some older bulls.

So sort of a fullblood midas.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on May 15, 2019, 09:44:10 PM
297
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Telos on May 19, 2019, 10:33:18 AM
A.I. her to Manitou's Echo. IMO, he is built as close to perfection as any fullblood 

I've seen (in a photo). There appears not too much wrong with him. Super cool pedigree, too.

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Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on May 19, 2019, 01:42:05 PM
echo
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Telos on May 19, 2019, 06:44:13 PM

That's him. There is a better picture of him winning a different show. It's on Monitou's site as well.

Show guys will not like his boxy front but for the real world... I think you could exploit him a little. Good internal dimension on this boy. Not coarse jointed either.
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: knabe on July 05, 2019, 10:58:15 PM
friend took this pic of the dabla cow.


i think its a pretty cool pic
Title: Re: Dabla cow suggestions
Post by: Go Green on July 08, 2019, 08:08:36 AM
Cool pic, nice looking cow.