librarian
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Yes, but when technology and the market drive the selection process, the breeders eye can become short sighted.
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Or when the breeder doesn't pay attention to the market place or technology he is being short sighted because if there is no market for the product it will become irrelevant! Breeders should be able to utilize the tools available and still select for functional useful cattle.librarian said:
aj
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I would argue that "race" is a fairly flimsy labeling. I once had a anthropologist claim there is no such thing as a race. It's kind of racist to define racist's. Is a race defined by color? Is it defined by slanty eyes? Anything other than dna is pretty objective. If you look at a human who is half Chinese and half Native American what do you classify this person by? Looks or dna? Is a red haired drunk staggering down the street Irish? Can you say that without doing dna samples? Was the Keniwick man Native American? Were "Clovis" people Native American? What was the Clovis people's skin color. I would argue that "race".........is pretty objective.......untill you lay down a definition. Was Obama a African American? or a composite. It's damn fun to discuss this stuff.
aj
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What about the bison population in say North America? Since they were almost extinct......it is said very few bison are pure. There was such a great experimentation with the beefalo and etc. They have tried to isolate small herds of pure bison and expand that population. In the diluted bison population....weird things occur like white bison......or white faced bison. Is this a sign from the great almighty chief from above or this a sign that Charolais or a Herford might be in the genetic background?
aj
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And ole knabe........good one. You really got me there. Excellent.
librarian
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landrace is a term I always would like to use, but rarely get the opportunity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landrace
landrace is a domesticated, regional ecotype;[1][2] a locally adapted,[3] traditional variety[4] of a domesticated species of animal or plant that has developed over time, through adaptation to its natural and cultural environment of agriculture and pastoralism, and due to isolation from other populations of the species.[3] Landraces are generally distinguished from cultivars, and from breeds in the standardized sense, although the term landrace breed is sometimes used as distinguished from the term standardized breed when referring to cattle.[5] The -race in this word refers to the taxonomic definition of race in biology, not the ethnographic sense of the word.
Specimens of a landrace tend to be relatively genetically uniform, but are more diverse than members of a standardized or formal breed.[3] Some standardized animal breeds originate from attempts to make landraces more consistent through selective breeding and a landrace may become a more formal breed with the creation of a breed registry and/or publication of a breed standard. In such a case, the landrace may be thought of as a "stage" in breed development. However, in other cases, formalizing a landrace may result in the genetic resource of a landrace being lost through crossbreeding.[3] Landraces are distinct from ancestral wild species of modern stock, and from separate species or subspecies derived from the same ancestor as modern domestic stock. Landraces are not all derived from ancient stock largely unmodified by human breeding interests. In a number of cases, most commonly dogs and horses, domestic animals have escaped in sufficient numbers in an area to breed feral populations that, through evolutionary pressure, can form new landraces in only a few centuries. In other cases, simple failure to maintain breeding regimens can do the same.[citation needed] For example, selectively bred cultivars can become new landraces when loosely selective reproduction is applied.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landrace
landrace is a domesticated, regional ecotype;[1][2] a locally adapted,[3] traditional variety[4] of a domesticated species of animal or plant that has developed over time, through adaptation to its natural and cultural environment of agriculture and pastoralism, and due to isolation from other populations of the species.[3] Landraces are generally distinguished from cultivars, and from breeds in the standardized sense, although the term landrace breed is sometimes used as distinguished from the term standardized breed when referring to cattle.[5] The -race in this word refers to the taxonomic definition of race in biology, not the ethnographic sense of the word.
Specimens of a landrace tend to be relatively genetically uniform, but are more diverse than members of a standardized or formal breed.[3] Some standardized animal breeds originate from attempts to make landraces more consistent through selective breeding and a landrace may become a more formal breed with the creation of a breed registry and/or publication of a breed standard. In such a case, the landrace may be thought of as a "stage" in breed development. However, in other cases, formalizing a landrace may result in the genetic resource of a landrace being lost through crossbreeding.[3] Landraces are distinct from ancestral wild species of modern stock, and from separate species or subspecies derived from the same ancestor as modern domestic stock. Landraces are not all derived from ancient stock largely unmodified by human breeding interests. In a number of cases, most commonly dogs and horses, domestic animals have escaped in sufficient numbers in an area to breed feral populations that, through evolutionary pressure, can form new landraces in only a few centuries. In other cases, simple failure to maintain breeding regimens can do the same.[citation needed] For example, selectively bred cultivars can become new landraces when loosely selective reproduction is applied.[6]
knabe
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race is just a word that describes populations that tend to have similar characteristics that are reproducible distributed, ie phenotype traits, intelligence traits, whatever.
we are in constant denial there are differences that are measurable.
we use them all the time.
the trouble comes when we try and impose equal economic outcomes based on demand or lack of it for those traits.
usually those most interested in getting other people's money to address the situation are those least likely to give or have any of their own money.
in general, conservatives are more generous with their own money and conservative with other people's money and liberals are the opposite.
people want to celebrate differences except when the don't. stupid.
we are in constant denial there are differences that are measurable.
we use them all the time.
the trouble comes when we try and impose equal economic outcomes based on demand or lack of it for those traits.
usually those most interested in getting other people's money to address the situation are those least likely to give or have any of their own money.
in general, conservatives are more generous with their own money and conservative with other people's money and liberals are the opposite.
people want to celebrate differences except when the don't. stupid.
