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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2013, 07:47:22 PM »
Maternal Perfection is THF and PHAC

Personally I do not consider a PHAC or THC bull maternal perfection.  I know I don't want my cows and replacement heifers being PHA carriers.

I'm inclined to agree with that statement, personally Ill never breed to a PHA carrier, something about risking getting a calf like that just turns my stomach... 
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« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2013, 08:22:40 PM »
I have noticed that many people like to bash PHA in one hand and praise TH in the other. To me they are both to be monitored, not feared. We don't keep females out of anything clubby or Maine influenced, they just don't work here. The last clubby female we kept we ate. As per the bull Maternal Perfection, I like him and think he could work well to make show heifers and perhaps the occasional steer.

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« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2013, 08:51:59 PM »
I don't care about PHAC because the top clubby bulls are not PHAC. Breed around PHA but thts just my situation.

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« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2013, 09:05:50 PM »
Personally, I would rather have a PHA carrier cow than a TH for the reasons of A) When your cow is TH Free, your breeding options are unlimited when there arent too many bulls out there that are th free that will throw enough hair and power for a SHOW CALF. I am not talking for seedstock or the middle man. B) I have found that all my TH free cows milk rings around my Carrier cows. and as far as Maternal Perfection, I feel that his cross of Irish Whiskey x Imprint is just that in the clubby world. Maternal Perfection. Most Whiskey cows are gold! I said most. I could care less if a cow is a PHA carrier because very few bulls are th and pha carriers. usually they are free of one. thats just my opinion. I will welcome whiskey genetics into my herd with open arms

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« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2013, 09:17:35 PM »
Personally, I would rather have a PHA carrier cow than a TH for the reasons of A) When your cow is TH Free, your breeding options are unlimited when there arent too many bulls out there that are th free that will throw enough hair and power for a SHOW CALF. I am not talking for seedstock or the middle man. B) I have found that all my TH free cows milk rings around my Carrier cows. and as far as Maternal Perfection, I feel that his cross of Irish Whiskey x Imprint is just that in the clubby world. Maternal Perfection. Most Whiskey cows are gold! I said most. I could care less if a cow is a PHA carrier because very few bulls are th and pha carriers. usually they are free of one. thats just my opinion. I will welcome whiskey genetics into my herd with open arms
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« Reply #95 on: January 24, 2013, 06:31:15 AM »
Personally, I would rather have a PHA carrier cow than a TH for the reasons of A) When your cow is TH Free, your breeding options are unlimited when there arent too many bulls out there that are th free that will throw enough hair and power for a SHOW CALF. I am not talking for seedstock or the middle man. B) I have found that all my TH free cows milk rings around my Carrier cows. and as far as Maternal Perfection, I feel that his cross of Irish Whiskey x Imprint is just that in the clubby world. Maternal Perfection. Most Whiskey cows are gold! I said most. I could care less if a cow is a PHA carrier because very few bulls are th and pha carriers. usually they are free of one. thats just my opinion. I will welcome whiskey genetics into my herd with open arms

i second this post, in fact i have 3 phac cows in my herd now.  (thumbsup)
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« Reply #96 on: January 24, 2013, 07:11:34 AM »
Personally, I would rather have a PHA carrier cow than a TH for the reasons of A) When your cow is TH Free, your breeding options are unlimited when there arent too many bulls out there that are th free that will throw enough hair and power for a SHOW CALF. I am not talking for seedstock or the middle man. B) I have found that all my TH free cows milk rings around my Carrier cows. and as far as Maternal Perfection, I feel that his cross of Irish Whiskey x Imprint is just that in the clubby world. Maternal Perfection. Most Whiskey cows are gold! I said most. I could care less if a cow is a PHA carrier because very few bulls are th and pha carriers. usually they are free of one. thats just my opinion. I will welcome whiskey genetics into my herd with open arms

i second this post, in fact i have 3 phac cows in my herd now.  (thumbsup)

Given the option, I'd rather steer clear of all carriers...  With that said, after testing came about, we had used several carrier bulls in the past-- and now I'm sure we have some cows, I know we have some, but I'm sure there are more unknowns in there.  From now on, owning a bull, and using noncarriers is a must on anything  unknown, which is a majority...

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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2013, 08:09:07 AM »
if you are talking about campbells fab 5 bull sale, I dont believe that is Maternal perfection. Unless they had another bull sale before that that i didnt watch

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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2013, 08:44:23 AM »
if you are talking about campbells fab 5 bull sale, I don't believe that is Maternal perfection. Unless they had another bull sale before that that i didn't watch

You are correct about that not being the same bull. Wade did buy the #2 Whiskey sired bull & he had the same back white feet, but no white on his head. My bad, sorry about that. I took my post down for all of you that wonder what DiamondCattleCo. is talking about.

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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2013, 03:06:30 PM »
I find it interesting that some certain bull promoters didn't want there bulls videoed a cople of years ago,and now all of there bulls are being videoed!
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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #100 on: January 24, 2013, 04:16:02 PM »
I just wanted to be #100, it is always interesting to read these discusions each year. I do wonder if there were no standouts since everyone is claiming that it was one of the better sets of bulls.
Hard to find a standout when they all look good, kind of like a county fair compared to a national, always easier to pick the winner at county.

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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #101 on: January 24, 2013, 07:26:43 PM »
I find it interesting that some certain bull promoters didn't want there bulls videoed a cople of years ago,and now all of there bulls are being videoed!
I don't think that the videos show as much this year as previous like side profile, feet, etc.     JMO

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« Reply #102 on: January 24, 2013, 09:45:54 PM »
I said that very same thing in an earlier post under denver videos. Remember last year when they pulled a couple videos off the website and edited them to the liking of the bull owners. Now all you get is a fading butt shot, a shoulder shot too close to do much good and then a quartering away fade. Why video the banner for 12 seconds in a 32 second video? I liked the videos Jeff put up in 07  and 08. May have been a little rougher, but they looked like they were taken by someone who knows how to evaluate livestock.

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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #103 on: January 25, 2013, 06:45:01 AM »
I said that very same thing in an earlier post under denver videos. Remember last year when they pulled a couple videos off the website and edited them to the liking of the bull owners. Now all you get is a fading butt shot, a shoulder shot too close to do much good and then a quartering away fade. Why video the banner for 12 seconds in a 32 second video? I liked the videos Jeff put up in 07  and 08. May have been a little rougher, but they looked like they were taken by someone who knows how to evaluate livestock.

I'd have to agree.  Even before, when the filmed the banner they would zoom in and pan so you could actually read it.  this year I've seen videos that show the banner ( with glare), the rear and down the top line.  What can that tell you.  I really liked a certain bull until I saw a picture of him and saw his neck and shoulder.  I know some guys will say big buts and lots of hair will sell calves.  They won't.  And besides, lets get real.  Who sells these high dollar steers and bulls.  Not the breeders.  There are so many hands that touch one before that big final price that goes to a select few in the industry.  And back to the bulls, IMO it was an average but uniform set of bulls.  Everyone seems impressed but again I think it's because of bloodlines, owners and hype.  I know of several bulls I'd rather use that weren't even there...
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Re: Denver 13 bulls
« Reply #104 on: January 25, 2013, 07:49:33 AM »
well at least one video was of value and that's Eye Marvelous, that one actually shows the bull walking.
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