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Title: diluter gene question
Post by: kane1598 on April 15, 2008, 08:27:31 PM
What does it mean when a bull or cow has a pink nose? Does this mean they have a diluter gene? What does that do in terms of color when bred to black cattle?
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: fluffer on April 16, 2008, 07:32:48 AM
I will attempt this question- Keep in mind I breed Red and or Black cattle- No shorthorn they may be a little different.

A diluter animal is a Red animal that when mated to a Homo Black animal can throw a grey baby otherwise I think you will get black or red. 

Hope that helps :)
Fluffer
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: CAB on April 16, 2008, 09:43:22 AM
 I don't think that the pink nose has anything to do with diluter genes. 70s & 80s there were a lot of simi, angus, char cross cattle carried the diluter gene and produced the so called rat tails. Breed any potential diluter cattle to NON- diluter bulls to get possible carriers still, but will not have the characteristics themselves. The diluter gene is still out there, but it is easy to find a non- diluter to breed to. We had a rat tail last spring out of a grey EXT cow and Cowboy Cut. I am planning on breeding that heifer to the Simi bull, Hustler this summer.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: red on April 16, 2008, 10:01:31 AM
what is the gene that causes brindle?

Red
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: minimoo38 on April 16, 2008, 10:24:37 AM
brindle as in color?

if it is what i think it is, my heifer has this. she is solid black, but she is starting to become a baldie. her white hair started at where her horns would have been, and it is progressing down the side of her head
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: red on April 16, 2008, 10:28:59 AM
no, it's a brownish black color w/ black strips.
I've shown an example.

(http://redmaplemaines.com/images/Mariah.jpg)
     example of brindle

Red
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: simtal on April 16, 2008, 10:32:08 AM
that is just sunburn,  a brindle is more of a reddish animal with dark streaks.  Commonly seen in brahma - Hereford cross (tiger baldy)
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: red on April 16, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
no, that's not sunburn. (lol)          she alwys has it & passes on to her calves a lot.

Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: minimoo38 on April 16, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
ok. thanks red.

brindle as in color?

if it is what i think it is, my heifer has this. she is solid black, but she is starting to become a baldie. her white hair started at where her horns would have been, and it is progressing down the side of her head

then, is what my heifer has something with a gene, or is she just all that more special?  ;D
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: showsteernc on April 16, 2008, 05:14:27 PM
Here in the south the brindle color is the effect of toxic fescue coming out. In Oh. I dont know what it would be.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: Longway Ranch - SK, Canada on April 16, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
Some dog breeds (Especially Boxers) have brindle as a color.  So, yes, Reds pic looks a lot like a Brindle colored boxer.  In otherwords, she is right...lol.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: Jill on April 16, 2008, 06:25:25 PM
She is brindle, we had an old Amerifax Chi Maine cow that would through brindle when bred black.  We had english bulldogs of a while and they have the brindle as a color.  Can't explain it just know she is one. (thumbsup)
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on April 16, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
We have a 3/4 Shorthorn heifer out of CCC Gold Rush and a Shorthorn X Chi/Angus cow that has just a little bit of a brindle color.  I've posted her on here, she looks black, but when you get up close to her, she has reddish stripes on her top...it's not dead hair, and definitely not sunburn...weird.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: CAB on April 17, 2008, 07:43:31 AM
Red, your cow has some Chi in her, doesn't she? A lot of Chi X cattle have that brindle color going on.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: red on April 17, 2008, 09:28:32 AM
Red, your cow has some Chi in her, doesn't she? A lot of Chi X cattle have that brindle color going on.

She's almost 75% Chi. Her sire was Foreplay. Her daughter threw that reall cool brownish heifer this year.

Red
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: kanshow on April 17, 2008, 09:47:23 AM
Nice cow Red!

So genetically...   how different are the grays that you get from the red diluters vs the grays from a Char x Black cross?       
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: frostback on April 17, 2008, 04:10:02 PM
Red your calf is a really light red brindle. She may darken up some but will probably stay reddish. Keep us posted.
The first time I saw INFRARED in person at Denver I said that he was not red at all but a light red brindle. He is a black bull. He has a black switch, black nose, black feet and when shaved close on his head he is darker. Now if he was red you would never get a black calf when mated to a red cow and there have been reports of that so he is indeed a black bull that is a red carrier.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: red on April 17, 2008, 05:00:17 PM
Red your calf is a really light red brindle. She may darken up some but will probably stay reddish. Keep up posted.
The first time I saw INFRARED in person at Denver I said that he was not red at all but a light red brindle. He is a black bull. He has a black switch, black nose, black feet and when shaved close on his head he is darker. Now if he was red you would never get a black calf when mated to a red cow and there have been reports of that so he is indeed a black bull that is a red carrier.

She's over 10 so doubt if she'll change much! She's the work horse of my herd. She & Rose will be stuffed when they die!  ;)
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: frostback on April 17, 2008, 05:11:20 PM
I meant the brownish reddish calf from this year. You are stuck with how the foreplay cow looks.
Title: Re: diluter gene question
Post by: red on April 17, 2008, 06:32:18 PM
I meant the brownish reddish calf from this year. You are stuck with how the foreplay cow looks.

yes, she's changing on her head.  (:)) I had too much sun today!

Red