Durham Reds

On the Red Angus temperament comment.  I have seen both ends of the spectrum.  Most that I have been around are pretty gentle.  I would throw them in the same "mental" category as our Charolais cows......it all depends on how they have been handled and treated in the past!!  They have great memory and WILL hold a grudge.  The red angus cows in our herd are not wild, some will allow a scratch or two, but the maternal instinct is so strong, they would just as soon be left alone with their calf.

cowz said:

On the Red Angus temperament comment.  I have seen both ends of the spectrum.  Most that I have been around are pretty gentle.  I would throw them in the same "mental" category as our Charolais cows......it all depends on how they have been handled and treated in the past!!  They have great memory and WILL hold a grudge.  The red angus cows in our herd are not wild, some will allow a scratch or two, but the maternal instinct is so strong, they would just as soon be left alone with their calf.

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Oh wow, if they're anything like the Charolais cows we've had, get out of the way when they have a calf!! We've had them bend steel bars charging. Oh course, these cows came from Michigan. Maybe that explains something!!!

(cow)Red

Well we don't have a ton of red angus but I think it is probably more to do with bloodlines which one are the nastier ones.  I wouldn't think they're really the same as the bad exotics, which I would call flightly, but more kind of nasty, like kicking and what not.  I definitely wouldn't call it an across the breed problem though. 

Hey genes- can you give me bloodline to either stay away from or look at (please!). Kicking doesn't work at my place - we call it a cardinal sin and the punishment is swift - off to Burgerville -  (cow)

red - any time MI cattle go south they experience time warp - some breeds are more affected than others! ;D

Cowz, I went to WHR last Friday and spent about 4 hours going through everything he had. Saw all the donors, sale cattle , and bulls. Sonny's dam is 14 years old and still produced 13 eggs last Dec. ( Amazing ) . She is still in great shape and gentle as a puppy. He has got a great sale lineup this year. He's a great guy and really took time to show us his entire operation.  If you have any questions about a specific Lot # , I'll give you my opinion.

dragon lady said:

Hey genes- can you give me bloodline to either stay away from or look at (please!). Kicking doesn't work at my place - we call it a cardinal sin and the punishment is swift - off to Burgerville -  (cow)

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No sorry, ours have been good, not that I would know their bloodlines anyway.  It's just the odd one I've seen around 4-H, but most are pretty good.  That's why I said I suspect it's probably bloodlines as that's how i find it is with the black angus (again don't know off hand, sorry).


I guess I will have to check out this WHR catalog.

Our Durham bull reads like this,

BJR Easy Rider 781
Beckton Lancer T A664
LCHMN On Target 1016E
LCHMN Pikes Peak 8210

Any comments on what to expect? (I know nothing of RA bloodlines) He'll be available for lease, we'll use him very limited.

The Durham Red bull that is a son of Lot 86 in the WHR sale is a tank.  He really moved well and was a thick dude.

I actually feel like I live in Red Angus Alley!! I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly in that breed! In fact, I would say that purebred breeders here are 1 to 1 red angus (just my guess), and since my good friends are into the reds, I have studied up some, and know a variety of bloodlines, from the traditional bloodlines to the newer trendy ones. The red angus breed has changed A LOT in the last 10 years. I think the Durham Reds will be pretty nice, and I think it is great they have to be TH and PHA Neg!!!!
As far as temperment goes, the reds have it all. Have seen the nastiest of the nasty and I have seen puppy dogs.
But, if you look at the semen catalogs, you might notice that the reds have gone the way of most other breeds, sacrificing calving ease (BW) for WW and YW. Don't know about anyone else, but I have a hard time selling a dead calf!!
But, if any Red Angus breeders are reading this, I am looking for some Rambo 502 semen!!

There's a novel idea! A dead calf's born as big as he's ever going to get. What about a RA Bull called NEO-SHO Millenium? He sas  awesome growth and power.  Has awesome feet and testicles. A young /shorthorn Bull worth consideration is PeakView Moet, now owned by Leveldale. Check him out on the Leveldale Farms website! Totally different than anything else available in the Shorthorn breed.

dragon lady said:

Anybody know anything about the bull Leachman's Heavenly? (cow) (cow)

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OK - since nobody said anything  and Heavenly didn't like being out there all alone I merged him with Durham Reds - he feels better.

What I know about the bull is that (actually) there are 2 Leachman Heavenly 8141 and 2017C. Calving ease. APparently crossed with Simmie cows resulting in excellent 1/2 blood bulls that did real well on the bull test. Anybody know anything else - we would be delighted! Merci, DL

Heard of the Heavenly.....I know he is calving ease, and that they grow well.....I will ask my red friends and get the scoop!

Show Heifer said:

Heard of the Heavenly.....I know he is calving ease, and that they grow well.....I will ask my red friends and get the scoop!

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Yes, get the step ladder & ask your red angus friends!!!

Red

shortdawg said:

Cowz, I went to WHR last Friday and spent about 4 hours going through everything he had. Saw all the donors, sale cattle , and bulls. Sonny's dam is 14 years old and still produced 13 eggs last Dec. ( Amazing ) . She is still in great shape and gentle as a puppy. He has got a great sale lineup this year. He's a great guy and really took time to show us his entire operation.  If you have any questions about a specific Lot # , I'll give you my opinion.

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Wanted to know what the Durham Red heifers looked like. The SOnny cross looked amazing in pictures. How about in person?

The Sonny Durham Red is nice. The one last year out of the same cow brought $7500. The bull pictured that is out of the same cow is very impressive in person. He is not for sale but, Mr. Rasor plans to sell semen from him soon. The Sonny heifer would make a nice addition to your herd. My guess is she would bring more than the $7500 one last year.

Why Red, that thought had never occured to me!  :
I'll get the step ladder out now!! Thanks for the GREAT idea!! (clapping) (clapping)