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Title: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: 1090 Livestock/OLSN on August 10, 2019, 09:36:25 AM
The extremely popular Facebook group, Everything Show Cattle has been deleted and with it, a place where 60k+ members have been congregating for the last few years.

Some of us old time Steerplanet users would like to bring Steerplanet back to the forefront. Hopefully we will get some folks to check out the site for the first time or come back to it.

With that, it may behoove the site to tweak the format of certain things and to be welcoming to the potential influx of new users.

I myself have not been very active here for a couple of years but hope to change that.

Justin
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Show stopper 95 on August 10, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
I second that! With the right moves the planet can be the premier listing spot for private treaty sales, discussion among people an ultimately somewhere to pay big bucks to advertise and expose. I met a lot of my current friends many years ago on steerplanet and would love to see other young people have the chance to make those connections by a spike in traffic
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Medium Rare on August 10, 2019, 09:55:58 AM
Fb was always the equivalent of dealing with the devil. They'll get nearly every group before it's over with. Private farm pages and even personal profiles have been getting hit the last few weeks, so it's only a matter of time.

Websites and forums suddenly became cool again.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: 1090 Livestock/OLSN on August 10, 2019, 10:08:13 AM
If the forums were at all user friendly or optimized for mobile use, they would have not declined so much. SP has had the same general interface since I started using it in 2006/7.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 10, 2019, 11:52:43 AM
How does format need to change for next gen.
It does have a lot of blank space at the top and other areas.


Not sure facebook and twitter are needed (for anything really)


Sure they are ďfreeĒ but you are their product to advertise to and screen narrative.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 10, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
Fb was always the equivalent of dealing with the devil. They'll get nearly every group before it's over with. Private farm pages and even personal profiles have been getting hit the last few weeks, so it's only a matter of time./// You got that right-And as a result the facebook pages are much less informative than a website-All kinds of off the subject things muddy up the cattle-sires,dams etc that I want to look at in one piece O0

Websites and forums suddenly became cool again.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: aj on August 10, 2019, 01:43:40 PM
why was it deleted?
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: hclubcalves on August 10, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
 This is Aaron Hartman with Hartman Show Cattle ( formerly Hartman Club Calves) .  This will be our go to site again, was able to put pictures with my listing today so that has been fixed since I last posted. Really used to enjoy this site and excited to bookmark it again.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 10, 2019, 03:18:47 PM
What was great about Everything Show Cattle was the next gen is always on Facebook. Also the next gen as a whole want everything right in front of them with minimal effort on their part. So when they scrolling through their newsfeed then sales will be there right in front of them. Or they could just type ďISO of a steer/heifer etcĒ and watch all the options for them to choose from come rolling in.

As a seller it was easy to get the word out about our sales and sell private treaty too. Plus if anyone had a question then that question would get answered 100+ times over. Not really the case here.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 10, 2019, 04:40:57 PM
Since itís gone, what another example that leverages what u are talking about.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 10, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Since itís gone, what another example that leverages what u are talking about.
If youíre asking me, I wondering what you mean by leverage. Steerplanet still wonít be the go to selling animals. I have posted many times on the Cattle Sales and never get a nibble but I sold a lot using Facebook. Iíll start using MeWe and see if it works.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 10, 2019, 05:37:54 PM
Iíll start using MeWe and see if it works.

started that just now.  did you buy the $1.99/mo page or just post.

whats the effective difference.

(I can't stand facebook and twitter and their politics and narrative pushing)
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 10, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
Just post. Weíll see how it goes. I didnít see the 1.99 option but I wouldnít pay it anyways.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 10, 2019, 06:18:32 PM
I just downloaded the Open Range app so weíll see how that goes too.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 10, 2019, 06:54:59 PM
https://www.thefencepost.com/news/facebook-enforces-ban-on-selling-animals-sending-ripples-through-the-ag-community/ (https://www.thefencepost.com/news/facebook-enforces-ban-on-selling-animals-sending-ripples-through-the-ag-community/)


Ag should completely absolve itself from Facebook.


They are the new puritans, becoming what they hated.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: -XBAR- on August 11, 2019, 01:37:58 PM
Iíd definitely like to be able to upload pictures.  Routinely I try to post something and it says file size is too big every time.   Even just a single photo.   Content wise, hopefully the page will go more in the direction of the type of posts you see over on the cattleforum as opposed to just post after post of shameless plugs and self promotion
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 11, 2019, 01:47:42 PM
Iíd definitely like to be able to upload pictures.  Routinely I try to post something and it says file size is too big every time.   Even just a single photo.   Content wise, hopefully the page will go more in the direction of the type of posts you see over on the cattleforum as opposed to just post after post of shameless plugs and self promotion


just do a save as, lower the "quality" and you can upload it. screens are 72dpi, so if the zoom is where you want it, do a copy and save as and when prompted, choose a lower quality and it will look fine.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 11, 2019, 01:48:39 PM
Iíd definitely like to be able to upload pictures.  Routinely I try to post something and it says file size is too big every time.   Even just a single photo.   Content wise, hopefully the page will go more in the direction of the type of posts you see over on the cattleforum as opposed to just post after post of shameless plugs and self promotion


what is shameless post after post? here?  don't really see that on SP.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 11, 2019, 01:50:15 PM
Iíll start using MeWe and see if it works.


how do people find sites on MeWe?
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 11, 2019, 01:51:14 PM
I just downloaded the Open Range app so weíll see how that goes too.


which one is Open Range app for cattle?  see a lot of open range websites/apps
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Shorthorn-Fed on August 11, 2019, 02:27:23 PM
Iíd definitely like to be able to upload pictures.  Routinely I try to post something and it says file size is too big every time.   Even just a single photo.   Content wise, hopefully the page will go more in the direction of the type of posts you see over on the cattleforum as opposed to just post after post of shameless plugs and self promotion

If you post from a phone just screen shot your own photo from photo library and it makes the file size small enough to post
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: SD on August 11, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
The Open Range app is the most cumbersome database app I've ever dealt with. If you don't use the right # your post gets lost. We won't use it as a seller or a buyer.

Facebook was a lost cause as they regulated what post you saw. It has become a very unfriendly environment for small business. Only post you are assured of seeing is the paid advertisements.

SD
 <alien>
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 11, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
facebook has replaced religion.

they perceive outsiders as pagans and treat them as such.

they are beyond change.

they are now a church.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 11, 2019, 07:42:09 PM
Iíll start using MeWe and see if it works.


how do people find sites on MeWe?
I went to the Browse Groups/Pages and found it. They started a new Everything Show Cattle on MeWe
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 11, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
The Open Range app is the most cumbersome database app I've ever dealt with. If you don't use the right # your post gets lost. We won't use it as a seller or a buyer.

Facebook was a lost cause as they regulated what post you saw. It has become a very unfriendly environment for small business. Only post you are assured of seeing is the paid advertisements.

SD
 <alien>
I havenít tried selling anything on Open Range yet. It seems easy enough.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: ska on August 11, 2019, 09:52:01 PM
BRING BACK STEERPLANET!!!!!  (clapping)
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Tallcool1 on August 12, 2019, 09:24:47 AM
I am not certain why Everything Show Cattle was taken down.  I believe that it had something to do with posting prices on cattle, but honestly...I don't know if I believe that.

Everything Show Cattle turned into a sewer of trash where the posts fell into one of a few categories:

Advertising plug for the next hair supplement

Product endorsement (disguised as a post) for the next hair supplement

A platform for belittling pretty much anyone not picturing a $10,000+ steer

A place for people to argue about pretty much anything

Everything Show Cattle was far too diverse of a group.  Technically, the term show cattle covers pretty much anything that gets a halter thrown on it and led through a show ring.  Dairy, bucket calves, mini herfs, lowlines, longhorns, and the list goes on and on.  It was just too big of a group.

The guy that started the group handed over Moderator duties in the last year.  I believe he just got sick of it.  It got too big, and became a pain in the ass.  I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the group just knocked it in the head and took it down.

Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: StagecoachCattle on August 12, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
Making this site more mobile friendly would be helpful, but unless there is an influx of users the time and effort would probably not be resources well spent. Having an app that put it right in front of folks on their screen could help, because other wise it's googling it, dealing it small print, zooming in, zooming out, etc.

The ads are alone pretty invasive and it's hard to even find the link the forums on the website from a mobile device recently.

I've downloaded MeWe and it's not a habit to use it yet, but I'll give it a shot since it sounds like a lot of folks are going that way.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: looking4champions on August 12, 2019, 02:06:31 PM
One way to bring Steerplanet back is to keep the politics and racist remarks off of it.   The same thing we complain about and suspect people of in the showing is what goes on with some of the posters on the forum.  Politics and emotions.  If you keep it about family and love of the past time it will be alright. Just use it to share wisdom and information.  Keep the BS away.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: aj on August 12, 2019, 02:17:16 PM
Racist remarks........bahahahahahahahahah. Must be snowing out there.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Doc on August 12, 2019, 07:52:37 PM
One way to bring Steerplanet back is to keep the politics and racist remarks off of it.   The same thing we complain about and suspect people of in the showing is what goes on with some of the posters on the forum.  Politics and emotions.  If you keep it about family and love of the past time it will be alright. Just use it to share wisdom and information.  Keep the BS away.

 I would love to see some of the racist remarks that you are talking about ???
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 12, 2019, 11:18:02 PM
One way to bring Steerplanet back is to keep the politics and racist remarks off of it.   The same thing we complain about and suspect people of in the showing is what goes on with some of the posters on the forum.  Politics and emotions.  If you keep it about family and love of the past time it will be alright. Just use it to share wisdom and information.  Keep the BS away.

maybe start with the references of swearing to zero would be a good start as well.

pol pot, meet Beto kettle. Maybe you are running for president?

not sure why people read posts they don't want to read, then read it, post and complain about it.

what is the % breakdown of non-cattle related posts and what % is tolerable that isn't cattle.

should all of the non-cattle posts be moderated to be deleted?

who will decide that.

providing prejudice without examples is wholly irresponsible.

that is the hallmark of wokeness, a moving target of righteousness that the arbiter can not even remotely comply with themselves, but sees fit to hold others to account of higher wokeness.

maybe absolutism is a good thing, not sure. pretty sure irony won't be found.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 12, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
i would consolidate the design and eliminate a lot of empty space.


bull directory is pointless. no activity
sales is listed in two spots, useless
blog feeds is good
meaning of terms can be rolled into intro forum


started by could be moved to a column and pages in same line as topic to get more subject lines on the screen to make scrolling more effective


fix the extra line bug when hitting return that some users have. it wastes space on posts. as in this post.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: looking4champions on August 13, 2019, 06:49:10 AM
Go back and read this post... Topic: WELLA WELLA WELLA its that time uv year  (Read 3242 times)

I don't care about the caricature.  It's just the fact that the pic file extension was originally named "n8gger elvis".  I asked him to change it and he did, with no hesitation.

And why not just delete this topic instead of entertaining it.... 

Topic: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,  (Read 1200

You guys can go back and read it yourselves.....

All I'm saying is that I see a lot of posts from what seems like young people, people new to the past time/business who have legitimate (maybe repetitive) questions about their projects but get no response.  Yet some people, not all are so quick to give an internet echo chamber educated response to rhetoric full of motherhood words and "typed diction" when I know a lot of us don't talk that way in conversation. 

Maybe a little bit more moderation is all that's needed is all I'm saying. If you gonna defend one "Right"... Defend them all.  No need to be so fickle.


providing prejudice without examples is wholly irresponsible.

that is the hallmark of wokeness, a moving target of righteousness that the arbiter can not even remotely comply with themselves, but sees fit to hold others to account of higher wokeness.

maybe absolutism is a good thing, not sure. pretty sure irony won't be found.


Too many of us are educated.... Not many of us are wise.   
 
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 13, 2019, 08:06:08 AM
Provide the content you are asking for instead of portraying a couple of incidents as a problem and not even remotely a problem with the site.

Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: looking4champions on August 13, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
Ok.  Let's do it together.

Things that are accepted and are considered acceptable are never a problem.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 13, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
52 posts versus 12,000+

I think you havenít been holding up your end of the bargain.

Stop acting like this is a together thing.

You are in deficit.

Start acting like it.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: aj on August 13, 2019, 09:38:42 AM
Be good to the industry.......and it will be good for you. I'm for truth, justice, and the American way.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: BroncoFan on August 13, 2019, 11:02:06 AM
Allow for people to post their animals for sale in this Big Show forum. People just arenít going to go searching for their next steer/heifer project especially when it was so readily available on Facebook to see what was for sale. I mean really how many people come here and then go to the cattle sales forum to find a steer or heifer.
Realistically how many regular posters here go and look at the cattle sales forum? In my never to be humble opinion, I believe everything else is an afterthought to the Big Show forum.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 13, 2019, 12:59:31 PM
I mean really how many people come here and then go to the cattle sales forum to find a steer or heifer.


no idea. i never look there.


heifer, $12,000
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 13, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
Welllla Wellla Wella Uhh Heres da beef BAYYYYBUU-We should vote on this considering we are the kings O0 O0
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: E6 Durhams on August 13, 2019, 03:17:06 PM
Iíll give Mark credit for not hiding his hatred for ďrugbeatersĒ as he calls them. Iíve seen several times he uses terms that many would find offensive if this wasnít a cattle forum but regular social media. Too each their own. This site isnít racist though. Like any thing tempers can flare. AJ canít help himself. He doesnít it on FB too. He likes to troll me on there. He likes to troll anybody on here. Because heís just bored. I get a kick out of him.

I agree with the others about posting pictures. I donít want to screenshot a pic and do all the other stuff. Iíd post a lot more pics as well if it were easier.

I also agree that the big show is the only thing I pay attention to.

I usually read SP a few times a week still.

Facebook and twitter are like rivers of negative slime. Like in Ghostbusters 2. The river of negativism slime running under the city made everyone angry. Thank god for Bill Murray.

Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Weezie on August 13, 2019, 10:28:59 PM
Allow for people to post their animals for sale in this Big Show forum. People just arenít going to go searching for their next steer/heifer project especially when it was so readily available on Facebook to see what was for sale. I mean really how many people come here and then go to the cattle sales forum to find a steer or heifer.
Realistically how many regular posters here go and look at the cattle sales forum? In my never to be humble opinion, I believe everything else is an afterthought to the Big Show forum.

I second this notion. I rarely ever go to another section of SP other than the Big Show forum because it has the most traffic.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: aj on August 14, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
Heavens to Betsy. If I knew that the filthy word "rug beater" was used in this forum........we must become politically correct or else! That is SO disgusting!
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Gargan on August 14, 2019, 05:57:17 PM
Heavens to Betsy. If I knew that the filthy word "rug beater" was used in this forum........we must become politically correct or else! That is SO disgusting!
Is " Heavens to Betsy" degrading to women??? (argue)
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 14, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
it's really a euphemism for "for christs sake"


a way to cuss in "christian" circles without cussing.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 18, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
Ok.  Let's do it together.



still waiting on you. 
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: knabe on August 18, 2019, 05:22:58 PM


All I'm saying is that I see a lot of posts from what seems like young people, people new to the past time/business who have legitimate (maybe repetitive) questions about their projects but get no response. 


and yet, only 52 posts from you. ::)


you complain about everyone, but 52 posts doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Dale on August 23, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
Maybe both JJC Wild Side and FF Redman were purchased after our seeing them on the Cattle for Sale Classifieds?  Both those bulls were purchased sight-unseen from reputable breeders, and they were just as the breeders described them.  I'm okay with it either way--keeping classifieds as they are or just let them be posted on The Big Show forum.

It is good to see more people posting again.
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 23, 2019, 06:13:12 PM
By the way Dale? How much do you think your hot commodity son will weigh full grown? Looks to me around 2000 O0
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 23, 2019, 07:37:21 PM
Heavens to Betsy. If I knew that the filthy word "rug beater" was used in this forum........we must become politically correct or else! That is SO disgusting!
Is " Heavens to Betsy" degrading to women??? (argue) /// Yo man better ax looking fo champions-While you at it-has she produced any? O0
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Dale on August 23, 2019, 07:48:19 PM
A ton at maturity is an educated guess, although a touch bigger is not out of the question.  Both his yearling EPD and calving numbers are similar to his sire, Hot Commodity.   
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 24, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
A ton at maturity is an educated guess, although a touch bigger is not out of the question.  Both his yearling EPD and calving numbers are similar to his sire, Hot Commodity.  /// cant tell by the picture but he looks to be maybe a 5 frame O0
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: Dale on August 24, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
5 should be very close, but he has not been measured for quite a while.  SIGC (Southern Indiana Grazing Conference) speakers do not like anything much larger than a frame 5, and that is nearly unanimous year after year.  Allen Williams, there in 2018, runs 100 bulls, so he is not an amateur, successfully grazing cattle to grade very high on only forages with no grain.  Grazing experts like frame 4 as well, which surprised me in the beginning.  Homeplace Hot Commodity 1625 will moderate frame scores.  Somebody who has seen lots of AI bulls, said that 1625 might sire club calves as well as breeding stock.   
Title: Re: Everything Show Cattle is no more
Post by: mark tenenbaum on September 04, 2019, 04:17:42 PM
Hed be good on hiefers for sure-But alot of cattle like mine are getting too moderate as it is-i wish I had some of those larger framed cows back-I never tried to  moderate them they just all went when I had to sell But there arent really any sizable bulls with CE and thick style-He has both O0