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Aussie

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I think you guys will turn up a few to. Thanks for the last 2. When will it all end. I hear there is another 10 tests to come.
 

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FCS testing is more complicated from a technical standpoint than TH, PHA, EI, NH, AM, OS etc

They have tested over 1000 bulls with the test (test a) they are working on a less complex commercially available test (test b)

The list of bulls should be available once validation is completed
 

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is the angus association happy with the accuracy of the 1000 tested so far?

i can't remember, for the list of 1000, does it include both carrier and free?

and this is probably stupid, but is there an affected bull that has been collected?
 

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Shhhhh - don't say that too loud.  However, the Australians do have 598 as a suspect.  Seems to go back to a cow named Freestate Barbara.  Have not heard anything pinpointed farther back.
 

Show Heifer

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shorthormgirl - sorry. not going to happen.... it has been a fairly well known fact that the Aussies are YEARS in front of the aaa in this catagory. 598 is a solid definate suspect and has been for years.
I guess in words of others on here "you should have done your homework"......
Good luck... maybe you will get lucky and won't be in the 50% carrier catagory on your embryos.
 

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for the sake of being optimistic... yep, i'm gonna hope im 'lucky' and wont get any carriers. what can i say... i tend to look at the glass half full (and theres always a chance for it to fill even more).
 

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In 5 years there won't be ANYTHING to breed to!!  We all better get out while the getting is good! (lol)
 

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I am obviously out of the loop...what is "fawn calf"? 
 

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It is a genetic defect that was most noted in Australia an then the U.S. joined intrying to resolve it... I t just makes the cattle look an grow finer made , not sure if it even kills them.... The Angus Assoc. has all kinds of material to read that is much more accurrate than what I said ...Bando 598 is one of mafor suspects ...
 

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jbw said:
In 5 years there won't be ANYTHING to breed to!!  We all better get out while the getting is good! (lol)
In 5 years all EPDs will be genomically enhanced, so companies will test for any know defects when they run the EPD panel.  Then when breeders know the carrier status of their cows, they can make sure not to mate her to a carrier bull.  When the calves come, I would test all of them and I would castrate any bulls that were carriers and any carrier heifers I keep as replacements I would simply make sure not to mate them to carrier bulls.  I am of the opinion that just because a cow is a carrier doesn't mean you have to haul her to the sale barn; she just requires more careful breeding decisions.  (Don't throw the baby out with the bath water)  Any type of single trait selection, whether for yearling height, genetic defects, or the fade of the week, is never the optimum solution. 

By the way, I know you were kidding jbw, but I couldn't resist adding my $0.02!  ;D
 

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In 5 years all EPDs will be genomically enhanced, so companies will test for any know defects when they run the EPD panel.  Then when breeders know the carrier status of their cows, they can make sure not to mate her to a carrier bull.  When the calves come, I would test all of them and I would castrate any bulls that were carriers and any carrier heifers I keep as replacements I would simply make sure not to mate them to carrier bulls.  I am of the opinion that just because a cow is a carrier doesn't mean you have to haul her to the sale barn; she just requires more careful breeding decisions.  (Don't throw the baby out with the bath water)  Any type of single trait selection, whether for yearling height, genetic defects, or the fade of the week, is never the optimum solution.   

By the way, I know you were kidding jbw, but I couldn't resist adding my $0.02!  ;D
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I agree Herefordguy. The problem is there is a lot of pressure from the breed societies to remove carriers all together. Fawn calf has been handled well here for years but since AM & NH hysteria and not common sense and practical breeding has provailed
 

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Actually from my understanding the Aussie's have ALWAYS tested for it, and had located several American Angus bulls that were carriers. They did the actually breeding and came up with the verification many years ago. But, the good ol' boys club, oops, I meant the aaa, decided they had to have a dna test to "confirm the results". And so it has been going on and on and on HERE, when in Australia it is cut and dry.

Yes, many times the calf is born dead, and if not, without serious and comprehensive help, the calf will not nurse and therefore die. Those that do live, are very poor doing, many times only growing to 450-500 pounds at yearling age.
There also has been reported issues with the meat being very tough, very stringy. So, it will be a nightmare if these carcasses hit the market.

 

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They probably already do hit the market and have been hitting the market since before Bando 598 -- at least the ones that survive.
 

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No club calves down here in fact I have been trying to get some club calf semen the closest I came was to use some Sheriff Taylor semen. Club calf and cross bred shows are4 not that big altough I am working to get something started. The hfr is out of an 036 cow by Whitestone Survivor. Thanks  <beer> I have had a bit of success with this family.
 

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