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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2013, 08:56:38 PM »
How many shots do you give them? Do you base your decision off her first calve or second?

Good points made by everyone.

I don't make a decision until they have had a calf out of a mature clubby bull (not a calving ease bull) such as Walks Alone, Monopoly, or so on. I don't don't make my decision cause of a calf out of a calving easy bull, not saying the calving easy bulls aren't good. My set up, I can wait a couple years (2-3) to see if she pans out or not cause if the calves don't pan out in with the commercial calves they go.
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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2013, 07:50:08 AM »
I tend to think along the lines of the earlier posts... The calves out of your first-calf-heifers are the most current genetics and should be at the top of the list genetically. We don't use throw away bulls on heifers...if she can't have a respectable calf as a two-year-old, then she doesn't need to be in our program. Our top-selling bull and top-selling heifer two years ago were both out of first-calf-heifers that we flushed as four-year-olds this spring. It never would have occurred to me to penalize either of them for being their mama's first time out of the chute.

I understand the philosophy of commercial programs that use calving ease bulls on large groups of heifers. Still, there are plenty of those bulls that offer enough growth and superior replacement opportunities, so I would argue those breeders are wasting a year of genetic improvement with every generation of replacements they keep back. A lot of those guys calve their heifers earlier than the cow herd anyway, so the calves out of heifers should be the oldest calves...I would think that would make them logical candidates to retain in the herd. Sexual maturity is a function of weight, not just age. So replacement heifers need to have some performance in order to cycle and breed earlier in the breeding season. That doesn't necessarily mean the biggest, fastest growing heifer calves make the best cows in the long run. I don't think that's true, either.

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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2013, 10:01:47 AM »
Good thoughts by everyone! I agree with most of whats stated above, I give most females a chance (sometimes 2) of being stuck to one of the "big boys". If they can't produce I don't mind shipping them and working to get something better.
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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2013, 10:43:02 AM »
It was mentioned that commercial guys keep large volumes of heifers and breed them to calving ease sires......   That there are many that have "enough" growth to fit in with the herd....

Couldn't agree more!   We are flushing a pure bred cow to a bull that would be considered calving ease.   He would also be considered a good maternal bull, and a good growth bull.   We are not doing it to produce show calves.   We are doing it in hopes of getting a handful of top notch cows out of the flush that will be viable in our commercial herd worst case but have the potential to be "game changers" in a given year AIed to the right bull, we a also AIing two heifers to the same bull.   Hoping for heifer calves to keep.   Calving ease is a good trait to keep as a foundation in ANY commercial herd as long as it does not sacrifice growth, pelvic size etc.   obviously bulls out of the flush a going to carrying the same hopes, as far as being viable in a commercial herd, with the chance for a STUD!  Many problems arise when single trait selection occurs, no matter the trait, if the heifers you keep have to be bred to a calving ease "specialist" that produces a live calf but not much else, I would think you need to think about weather or not you should keep the heifer.
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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 12:22:48 PM »
What are some bulls that are trait leaders for both bw and ww?
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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2013, 03:02:48 PM »
I was thinking of this topic today as i looked at my favorite cows udder,she is an ex show heifer and did pretty good.She has only had one heifer so far (out of 4 calves).Her udder is shot!I guess what i'm trying to say is keeping heifers out of heifers ,you don't know how they are gonna hold up because almost all first calf heifers have a perfect udder.That being said i did keep her heifer and she calved for the first time last week.After re-reading this maybe it doesn't belong in this thread but just wanting to chime in LOL.
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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2013, 03:27:56 PM »
I was thinking of this topic today as i looked at my favorite cows udder,she is an ex show heifer and did pretty good.She has only had one heifer so far (out of 4 calves).Her udder is shot!I guess what i'm trying to say is keeping heifers out of heifers ,you don't know how they are gonna hold up because almost all first calf heifers have a perfect udder.That being said i did keep her heifer and she calved for the first time last week.After re-reading this maybe it doesn't belong in this thread but just wanting to chime in LOL.
I'd consider that relevant, something people should be aware of! Hopefully everything works out with the heifer you kept!
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Re: First Calf Heifers Calves as Replacements
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2013, 03:13:32 PM »
Xbar- don't know if that question was in general or too me, but we are flushing to a Limousin bull named RUNL STETSON......   He is not a trait leader in either, but has a leading spread between the two.     I am not one that thinks I am automatically going to breed heifers to the LOWEST BW, just a low birthweight.   I would not breed big cows to the HIGHEST growth if the bw was out of wack, even if the cow could handle it, could her daughter handle her half of her epds when it comes to the calf.    I think people get in trouble when they start looking at single trait selection, regardless of the trait......  Look at some of the topics, looking for most structurally correct......   Looking for bull that will  breed up small or bring down big cows.....   When you breed single trit, you get an imbalanced animal so you go try and breed for the trait the heifer lacks then repeat the process.   Obviously you know what needs improved, but why focus so much on one trait that you neglect others is not a great way way to stay moderate, stay functional a d stay profitable.........   If yu keep that in mind, why would you not be able to keep a heifer out of a heifer?
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