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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2007, 11:07:50 PM »
If I get a pic of the heifer , I'll forward it. I'm not going to say he is a heifer bull but this one was born unassisted. The Eskimo Joe daughter is what I would call moderate in frame and had no problems.
Thanks I would really appreciate it.
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2007, 09:38:43 AM »
Gary Bob, I thought the term (cannon bone) had been banned from the beef industry! Maybe you can tell us what the ideal measurement of a baby heifers "cannon bone" should be? Then OH Breeder can measure and compare, and then we'll Know for sure what kind of a "dink" she'll really be.

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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2007, 09:46:24 AM »
Gary Bob, I thought the term (cannon bone) had been banned from the beef industry! Maybe you can tell us what the ideal measurement of a baby heifers "cannon bone" should be? Then OH Breeder can measure and compare, and then we'll Know for sure what kind of a "dink" she'll really be.

Lee Bigham

I know that Gene Rowe still uses the term cannon bone. He looked at it on one of my heifer's last year to detirmine the amount of growth potential.
I am curious what it should be on a newborn though!

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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2007, 10:09:29 AM »
Yes Red I still use the term, and it's one of the first things I look at when evaluating. But you'd be surprised how many of these kids don't even Know where it is. When I was judging, if you didn't use the term at least 5 times in your reasons, you weren't going to score very high.
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2007, 07:44:22 PM »
Here, as Red has said, it is probably a way different market for feeder calves. Consequently, I have a different view point than many of the active  visitors to this forum. Most Arkansas calves go to grass before being fed, and the buyers here demand a little more frame than what is no longer accepted elsewhere. If I have any luck at all selling a calf, he must be either red or darker roan,deep bodied, full-flanked and 'quartered, and slicker-haired. Especially, if you are selling fall-born calves in March or April, the buyers really pay attention to "thriftiness", and want to see cattle that are starting to shed-off. Here in the middle of the country, we have enough winter weather with more humidity, and, therefore, my Shorthorn cows have the same winter hair as a cow in Ohio, or even Montana. My pastures are predominantly Tall Fescue, and the cattle that shed earlier tend to perform better. Hence, my views are what they are.

Elbee, Do you have a current pic in pasture clothes of Wymore? The one in the semen guide from the ASA the most current one you have? I Have used Gizmo on larger cows amd he really clicked. Good Moms, too.

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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2007, 12:26:36 AM »
I just sent you a picture taken by Nick Hammet summer 05 at Pollmans. Let me know if you receive it. I have no idea how to put it on the Planet.
Sorry, now that I think about it I may have sent it to Shortdawg. I need your E-mail GaryBob?
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2007, 02:28:22 AM »
Yes Red I still use the term, and it's one of the first things I look at when evaluating. But you'd be surprised how many of these kids don't even Know where it is. When I was judging, if you didn't use the term at least 5 times in your reasons, you weren't going to score very high.

Just curious, when were you competing that this was the emphasis?  I'm going to guess it was when T A L L cattle were in?  The way I judge it is the legs should be sound and carry the animal around, but length isn't on my priority list.  After all, when a steer gets to the slaughterhouse, they very quickly proceed to cut off the cannon bones.  And trust me, it doesn't take many inches of extra cannon bone to add 20 pounds to the scrap pile.
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2007, 07:24:33 AM »
My post about cannon bone was very much "tongue in cheek". I'm getting tired of influential people calling Gizmo, and our kind of cattle "dinky", when they have never seen them. Gizmos mature weight was 2300#!
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2007, 02:20:32 PM »
Oh duh...reading that again it's pretty obvious, but I guess that's why not to post at 2 am.   :D   Do they have one of these  (:))  with the arrow going this way <-- ?
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2007, 08:21:02 PM »
I just sent you a picture taken by Nick Hammet summer 05 at Pollmans. Let me know if you receive it. I have no idea how to put it on the Planet.
Sorry, now that I think about it I may have sent it to Shortdawg. I need your E-mail GaryBob?
Get it from Red, If she'd be so kind as to assist us, I'd really appreciate it. I saw a pic of one of your cows drinking from a tank on your ranch. Don't remember where i saw the article. Congrats on all your accomplishments.

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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2007, 10:49:07 PM »
I just sent you a picture taken by Nick Hammet summer 05 at Pollmans. Let me know if you receive it. I have no idea how to put it on the Planet.
Sorry, now that I think about it I may have sent it to Shortdawg. I need your E-mail GaryBob?
Get it from Red, If she'd be so kind as to assist us, I'd really appreciate it. I saw a pic of one of your cows drinking from a tank on your ranch. Don't remember where i saw the article. Congrats on all your accomplishments.

Gary Bob,
I still didn't get an asnwer to your original question post statement what ever. How big should a new born calves cannon bone be?
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2007, 08:30:50 PM »
She just looked to be on the "short" side of moderate. Keep in mind, I am just not used to seeing cattle like that. Here, We still need cattle that exhibit a little bit more skeletal extension than what is required or accepted in most other parts of the USA. Excuse my lack of tact. Our buyers here want far more "Black Exotics" than Emulous-bred Angus.Hence, my subjective evaluation of a heifer calf's skeletal profile.  Not the perfect situation, but, unfortuneately, it's how it is where I live.We have always been twenty years behind. I was born in '70, but I can still remember having to have a perfectly Hereford-marked calf, comeplete with the "feather" on the neck, and NO EYE PIGMENT ( boy, has that changed) or freckle-faces. Things that had left other parts of the country, we were still dealing with. Didn't see a Charolais bull until I was eleven years old.

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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2007, 09:16:48 PM »
OH breeder - I think she is really cool! DL (cow) (cow) (cow)
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Re: For Red and Shortdawg
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2007, 01:21:40 AM »
OH breeder - I think she is really cool! DL (cow) (cow) (cow)


::)Thanks DL, much appreciated!
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