Fullblood Full French Pedigree Charolais

Fullblood Full French pedigreed Charolais bull. Emir is currently being collected. European, U.K. and Irish rights sold, but North American and Australasian options available. Currently weighs 1,108KG at 21 months. Bred for muscling and length. His mother is a premier show cow, with a breeding record to match. Sire is a total outcross to all main bloodlines, and has bred national champions, including National Livestock Show Breed Ch.

what's up with the curly hair? The Mexican Charolais are full-French, but, are slicker-haired, softer-made, and waaaaaaay deeper middled than he is. it is often said among cattlemen in Coahuila, "The only thing good, that ever came from France were Charolais cattle."

GB

Do you have any pics from behind and progeny. He does not look to display quite the depth and muscle expression I would expect from a full french bull. IMO

Hmm..that's an interesting looking bull. Never seen a Charolais that looks like that.

Muddy Creek Show Cattle said:

Hmm..that's an interesting looking bull. Never seen a Charolais that looks like that.

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that was kinda my thoughts too.  I don't like how much sheath he has.  he's definitely got some bone. I'm not sure what they are trying to prove in France and I'm sure they wonder the same of elsewhere.

xxcc said:

Muddy Creek Show Cattle said:

Hmm..that's an interesting looking bull. Never seen a Charolais that looks like that.

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that was kinda my thoughts too.  I don't like how much sheath he has.  he's definitely got some bone. I'm not sure what they are trying to prove in France and I'm sure they wonder the same of elsewhere.

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imo they have some old fashion genetics compared to us they arnt as boxy looking but he would add bone to some angus haha and give them some thickness hed be perfect for angus probably a c section the way his bone looks haha

ps he probably doesnt look deep and soggy cuz they shaved his belly to make him look taller could also be why his sheath looks saggy

OK,

Where is this bulls registration number? Pedigree? EBVs?  Before you can market a bull you have to get the basics covered.  What is this bulls intended use?
The last and only British Charolais bull to make an impression in North America was Brampton Fourstar.  In Canada the most successful French bull used in the last few years was Impair.  Calving ease is a must in the North American and Australian market.
If you want to sell shares in a bull this website is the wrong place to be.  I would contact people that use Full French bulls like Mogo Charolais, Broken Box, Pattens Charolais Farms or Rosso Charolais.  They buy and sell herdsires all the time and can give you an indication of your bulls worth in this marketplace.
By the way bulls with this much bone and more muscle are available in North America; you just have to look past the calving ease bulls that ABS and the rest of the AI companies dish out that can calve out any cow that comes along.

Experience an Logic is why ABS an other studs are using bulls that can calve easy , breed back when suppose to , for years those studs tried
those high birth weight CHAROLAIS  cattle .  When the Angus started producing big growth sires with the moderate birth weight they figured out that those Charolais breeders needed to follow the Angus that proved growth an moderate birth weight do work to gether ....

Freddy,

Believe it or not  the Charolais breed does not have to become a white Angus to be successful.  In Canada and Australia American calving ease and Full French strains were blended to come up with cattle that combined the best of both types.  In both countries people calve out all types of cows to non calving ease Charolais  bulls and do it successfully with few problems.  Using high performance Charolais bulls has more to do with proper bull selection and good herd  management
Most Full French bulls will not work here due to calving ease problems or more likely due to inferior performance.  In Northern Europe these more modern percentage French North American cattle have been trouncing the French Cattle in performance tests.

He looks like a woolly little lamb!  (clapping)

The Charolais cattle that we have have been some of our best producers, and we use them for recips! I find it interesting that many of the Char that I see around here are very deep and clean fronted, and tend to have less bone than this bull. Thanks for sharing! (clapping)

This photo was  taken from the 1989 animal science class - Beef Cattle Breeds 101??

Really I cannot believe it. ... 2011 and we are promoting a bull like this? Mark and Freddy good information.

garybob said:

what's up with the curly hair? The Mexican Charolais are full-French, but, are slicker-haired, softer-made, and waaaaaaay deeper middled than he is. it is often said among cattlemen in Coahuila, "The only thing good, that ever came from France were Charolais cattle."

GB

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No, LOL, obviously the bull was just  pictured with his winter coat still on, which was brushed up for his photos. He does not have a "curly" coat. Here are the most recent pics before he went to stud. He is just after shedding and is getting his new coat in.

hes a interesting bull not one I would generaly get excited about.  He has length he has thickness.  I would be concerned about calving ease as his shoulder looks like it could be straight and depth which is really important to me as a commercial producer. With that said some interesting comments regarding charolais cattle

Here is a photo of Emir's sister, photographed after winning her division at the National Beef Expo.She was in around a year old in this pic. She is sired by Jumper. Both her and Emir are out of the show cow Veronica.

sue said:

This photo was  taken from the 1989 animal science class - Beef Cattle Breeds 101??

Really I cannot believe it. ... 2011 and we are promoting a bull like this? Mark and Freddy good information.

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And are yours from the 1940s.
Really if you dont have anything nice to say.... why say anything?

hopefully these cattle beat soggier cattle, not tubier cattle.

frostback said:

sue said:

This photo was  taken from the 1989 animal science class - Beef Cattle Breeds 101??

Really I cannot believe it. ... 2011 and we are promoting a bull like this? Mark and Freddy good information.

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And are yours from the 1940s.
Really if you dont have anything nice to say.... why say anything?

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You know, I find it rather interesting that one of the oldest Charolais breeders in the US, with a widespread distribution of sales including Canada and Mexico, operates a linebred herd started in the early 1950s with imported linebred genetics from Mexico, where in turn, the Mexican breeders imported theirs from France in the early 1930s. 

I'm not biased either way on this animal, just saying, aged genetics may actually allow people to step back to what is tried and true.  I guess it may be helpful to some if you clarify your point as to what you have wrong with "promoting a bull like this"?

knabe said:

hopefully these cattle beat soggier cattle, not tubier cattle.

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Im really pleased to have joined the forum so that I can participate in this debate. These Charolais(Im guessing are Irish) are very well muscled cattle. And they seem to be very big. I really can't see what Knabe is trying to say in his posts. Obviously the cattle are in show condition but you couldnt call them fat. I know in France they like the bigger musclier cattle. Here we like our cattle more moderate as we have to compete with the Limousins.