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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2018, 03:33:27 PM »
Love to see the calf at a month or so O0
is he a 7/8 shorthorn that will get purebred calves out of purebred cows? he is an example of the calves i thought yukon would get when i registered him as a 3/4 shorthorn.

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« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2018, 03:45:01 PM »
That is a snorter of a calf, well bred!

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« Reply #77 on: April 07, 2018, 04:49:39 PM »
Love to see the calf at a month or so O0
is he a 7/8 shorthorn that will get purebred calves out of purebred cows? he is an example of the calves i thought yukon would get when i registered him as a 3/4 shorthorn.

Yes. I believe Yukon needs his Genomics/defects ran in order for the Shorthorn Association to allow his calves to be registered.

I'll have a hand full of bulls in this crop that need developed so if he keeps progressing well he'll get thrown into the pen with them.
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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2018, 05:28:19 PM »
Love to see the calf at a month or so O0
is he a 7/8 shorthorn that will get purebred calves out of purebred cows? he is an example of the calves i thought yukon would get when i registered him as a 3/4 shorthorn.
he tested th and pha free 01-02-14 at zoetis. what others do they need?

Yes. I believe Yukon needs his Genomics/defects ran in order for the Shorthorn Association to allow his calves to be registered.

I'll have a hand full of bulls in this crop that need developed so if he keeps progressing well he'll get thrown into the pen with them.

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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2018, 05:33:40 PM »
Yukon tested th and pha free 1-02-2014 at Zoetis. What others are needed?

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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2018, 07:10:41 PM »
Yukon tested th and pha free 1-02-2014 at Zoetis. What others are needed?

You'd have to call into the association to be sure, but if he has the TH and PHA I think he'd just need a dna sample on record and a DS test.

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« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2018, 01:14:40 PM »
Yukon tested th and pha free 1-02-2014 at Zoetis. What others are needed?

You'd have to call into the association to be sure, but if he has the TH and PHA I think he'd just need a dna sample on record and a DS test.
dna is on file at amaa and maybe ds can be done from the th/pha sample. is a 50k test mandatory for an ai bull? it has ruined many a good Angus.

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« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2018, 02:57:58 PM »
dna is on file at amaa and maybe ds can be done from the th/pha sample. is a 50k test mandatory for an ai bull? it has ruined many a good Angus.

I've never asked about the AI bull requirement without the 50k included, so I'm not sure. Here's a link to the current dna form...

https://shorthorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/GeneticTestingForm_Fillable_2.19.pdf

I have done the high density testing on a few head as well as the low density 50k testing on some and honestly can't tell either did anything to my epds. The ASA is supposed to be switching to the new single step BOLT technology soon, so perhaps that will change things. I know I have had dna results forwarded from the ASA to the Red Angus association to meet their sire requirements, but I have never tried to transfer them from another breed to the ASA.

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« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2018, 04:41:22 PM »
nice duracell calf medium rare
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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2018, 10:46:33 PM »
Yukon tested th and pha free 1-02-2014 at Zoetis. What others are needed?

You'd have to call into the association to be sure, but if he has the TH and PHA I think he'd just need a dna sample on record and a DS test.
dna is on file at amaa and maybe ds can be done from the th/pha sample. is a 50k test mandatory for an ai bull? it has ruined many a good Angus.
I don't think a DNA test can "ruin" a "good" bull because if they really are genetically superior then it will come through, and if they aren't that good then it's best we know.

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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2018, 10:33:50 AM »
Yukon tested th and pha free 1-02-2014 at Zoetis. What others are needed?

You'd have to call into the association to be sure, but if he has the TH and PHA I think he'd just need a dna sample on record and a DS test.
dna is on file at amaa and maybe ds can be done from the th/pha sample. is a 50k test mandatory for an ai bull? it has ruined many a good Angus.
nk a DNA test can "ruin" a "good" bull because if they really are genetically superior then it will come through, and if they aren't that good then it's best we know.
my poorly stated point was intended to be that 50k testing lowered epd's of some awfully good animals. being an auditor at one time in my life, i don't think you can rely on data if the sample size is too low. not enough animals have been tested to rely on 50k results and how they change epd's if they are applied across the total population of each breed. if you tested your whole herd and used the results to improve your herd you are on the right track if you incorporate them with other factors such as your environment. if only 1% of the breed has been 50k tested, there is not much on which to rely. i am a phenotype guy. if a cow is a good motor scooter as my friend would say, i have a place for her.

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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #86 on: April 09, 2018, 08:46:56 PM »
Great looking cow-I think the whole genetic deal has stumbling blocks across all breeds-especially Shorthorns-where the politically correct testing took MONTHS-probably due to kickbacks from the inept testing deal to the ASSOC. O0

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« Reply #87 on: May 01, 2019, 09:13:56 PM »
Ugh
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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #88 on: May 02, 2019, 05:04:37 PM »
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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE UPDATE
« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2019, 08:30:41 PM »
born March 22
Dam is direct Ivry on top, wb liner x cunia on bottom


bull is recent french import on ivry cow, and his bottom is dalton x loulou


calf will be PHA tested
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 10:43:33 PM by knabe »
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