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Title: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: SEA on April 15, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
I have a white “Hi-Ho Silver” yearly heifer, out of a black NLC Upgrade-SM x Angus, (half blood SIMM-AN)  cow.

If I breed her to a Red Angus bull, what color calf will I get?
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: -XBAR- on April 15, 2019, 04:30:47 PM
Hi ho silver is heterozygous black (one red + one black gene) plus he also carries one copy of the diluter gene which is what makes him appear a smokey color. 

 Your hi ho silver heifer calf most likely ( 50% chance if Her simAngus cow is heterozygous black, 75% chance if she is homozygous black) has a dark nose but before proceeding you will have to clarify before I can give a definitive:  what color is her nose?
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: -XBAR- on April 15, 2019, 04:37:06 PM
 Without knowing your heifers pigment color,  the four possibilities are: solid red, solid black, buckskin, or smoky- like high ho silver

If your heifer has a pink nose, her offspring’s color possibilities are then reduced to either solid red or buckskin. 50% chance of either

 If she has a dark nose,  any of the four possibilities mentioned above. 
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: aj on April 16, 2019, 08:16:15 PM
I have been messing around with Red Angus-Shorthorn matings. Sometimes you get an orangy color doing this. I don't like like the orange deal myself.
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 16, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
Heres a daughter just after weaning  of a full sib to hi ho silver WHO LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM yellow as a buttercup- from a rwm marks Shorthorn Cow pictured Thats her a few years ago-She was 13 when she weaned the spotted female pictured raised on Kansas grass never any creep etc O0
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: SEA on April 20, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
Without knowing your heifers pigment color,  the four possibilities are: solid red, solid black, buckskin, or smoky- like high ho silver

If your heifer has a pink nose, her offspring’s color possibilities are then reduced to either solid red or buckskin. 50% chance of either

 My Hi Ho Silver’s dam is a NLC Upgrade-SM (Homozygous Black) x Angus Cow.

She does not have a black nor a pink nose.  Her nose is a solid light grey color.
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: -XBAR- on April 20, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
There are only two pigment colors in cattle.  Black and red.  If it appears grey, she’s black pigmented that has been diluted by the diluter gene she inherited from her sire.

Bred to a red angus bull, she could have a solid black calf, a solid red calf, a calf that is diluted black like your heifer, or she could throw a diluted red calf that will be the straw color of the cow mark posted above- except without the white marks.
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: SEA on April 21, 2019, 09:25:09 PM
Thanks All!

Perhaps then, I would be better off to breed her to an easy calving Black Angus bull.
Title: Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 21, 2019, 10:00:31 PM
There are Shorthorns now a days that are eazier calving even than the Angus-if the calves will grow (THIS HAPPENS WITH ANGUS TOO DONT THINK IT DOESNT) they will end up thicker and stouter out of the Shorthorns and certainly more correct-especially if you have maine-simm or heatwave back there The yellow  heifer eating hay out of the Shorthorn cow was more or less a desperation move after one dwarf after another. She had a couple real nice normal calves out of shorts and throw away minis out of everything else until we used some hi BW genetics Although we are off the color deal-she had a normal to large heifer (95 pounds) from Young Money (go figure) and but her first calf out of wills Colt bull was microscopic-its growing but somewhat behind The yellow one pictured was smaller at birth sired by the full sib to Hi Ho and the cow being somewhere near 14 didnt milk like the old days but she has the most grow and performance of all 10 pt sp calves the cow has had in spite of a pretty hard go-dry: little milk no creep-not alot of grass You dont have to like her-but she has come along the hard way-If she had been on feed from a very young age etc and was fat which she isnt at all-she would clip out as well as many of the xbreds Ive seen along with structure that is clearly better than the norm There is a never ending endless loop on here about crossing cattle etc-Dependent upon what you want some breeds outdo themselves both purebred Shorthorns and Angus can be off kilter to the point of laughter-till you use them on another genetic base.  O0O0