Quantcast Genetics Color Question on Cattle

Sponsors







Author Topic: Genetics Color Question on Cattle  (Read 1141 times)

Offline SEA

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 702
  • Karma 14
    • View Profile
Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:09:44 PM »
I have a white Hi-Ho Silver yearly heifer, out of a black NLC Upgrade-SM x Angus, (half blood SIMM-AN)  cow.

If I breed her to a Red Angus bull, what color calf will I get?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2019, 03:12:54 PM by SEA »

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3310
  • Karma 153
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 04:30:47 PM »
Hi ho silver is heterozygous black (one red + one black gene) plus he also carries one copy of the diluter gene which is what makes him appear a smokey color. 

 Your hi ho silver heifer calf most likely ( 50% chance if Her simAngus cow is heterozygous black, 75% chance if she is homozygous black) has a dark nose but before proceeding you will have to clarify before I can give a definitive:  what color is her nose?
Friends dont let friends use crossbred bulls

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3310
  • Karma 153
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 04:37:06 PM »
 Without knowing your heifers pigment color,  the four possibilities are: solid red, solid black, buckskin, or smoky- like high ho silver

If your heifer has a pink nose, her offsprings color possibilities are then reduced to either solid red or buckskin. 50% chance of either

 If she has a dark nose,  any of the four possibilities mentioned above. 
Friends dont let friends use crossbred bulls

Offline aj

  • National Champion Poster
  • **********
  • Posts: 6175
  • Karma 174
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 08:16:15 PM »
I have been messing around with Red Angus-Shorthorn matings. Sometimes you get an orangy color doing this. I don't like like the orange deal myself.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4791
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 08:23:23 PM »
Heres a daughter just after weaning  of a full sib to hi ho silver WHO LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM yellow as a buttercup- from a rwm marks Shorthorn Cow pictured Thats her a few years ago-She was 13 when she weaned the spotted female pictured raised on Kansas grass never any creep etc O0
« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 06:16:03 AM by mark tenenbaum »

Offline SEA

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 702
  • Karma 14
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2019, 10:13:40 PM »
Without knowing your heifers pigment color,  the four possibilities are: solid red, solid black, buckskin, or smoky- like high ho silver

If your heifer has a pink nose, her offsprings color possibilities are then reduced to either solid red or buckskin. 50% chance of either

 My Hi Ho Silvers dam is a NLC Upgrade-SM (Homozygous Black) x Angus Cow.

She does not have a black nor a pink nose.  Her nose is a solid light grey color.

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3310
  • Karma 153
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2019, 11:11:30 PM »
There are only two pigment colors in cattle.  Black and red.  If it appears grey, shes black pigmented that has been diluted by the diluter gene she inherited from her sire.

Bred to a red angus bull, she could have a solid black calf, a solid red calf, a calf that is diluted black like your heifer, or she could throw a diluted red calf that will be the straw color of the cow mark posted above- except without the white marks.
Friends dont let friends use crossbred bulls

Offline SEA

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 702
  • Karma 14
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2019, 09:25:09 PM »
Thanks All!

Perhaps then, I would be better off to breed her to an easy calving Black Angus bull.

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4791
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Genetics Color Question on Cattle
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2019, 10:00:31 PM »
There are Shorthorns now a days that are eazier calving even than the Angus-if the calves will grow (THIS HAPPENS WITH ANGUS TOO DONT THINK IT DOESNT) they will end up thicker and stouter out of the Shorthorns and certainly more correct-especially if you have maine-simm or heatwave back there The yellow  heifer eating hay out of the Shorthorn cow was more or less a desperation move after one dwarf after another. She had a couple real nice normal calves out of shorts and throw away minis out of everything else until we used some hi BW genetics Although we are off the color deal-she had a normal to large heifer (95 pounds) from Young Money (go figure) and but her first calf out of wills Colt bull was microscopic-its growing but somewhat behind The yellow one pictured was smaller at birth sired by the full sib to Hi Ho and the cow being somewhere near 14 didnt milk like the old days but she has the most grow and performance of all 10 pt sp calves the cow has had in spite of a pretty hard go-dry: little milk no creep-not alot of grass You dont have to like her-but she has come along the hard way-If she had been on feed from a very young age etc and was fat which she isnt at all-she would clip out as well as many of the xbreds Ive seen along with structure that is clearly better than the norm There is a never ending endless loop on here about crossing cattle etc-Dependent upon what you want some breeds outdo themselves both purebred Shorthorns and Angus can be off kilter to the point of laughter-till you use them on another genetic base.  O0O0
« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 06:15:19 AM by mark tenenbaum »

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
1 Replies
1329 Views
Last post June 05, 2009, 08:38:56 AM
by Chap
11 Replies
5287 Views
Last post January 31, 2010, 07:36:28 PM
by VJ
18 Replies
6075 Views
Last post June 22, 2010, 05:14:55 PM
by justintime
5 Replies
1478 Views
Last post December 22, 2013, 07:50:27 AM
by Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR
4 Replies
1535 Views
Last post August 30, 2014, 05:25:59 PM
by Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

Powered by EzPortal