Gert cow for American Steers
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Bradenh
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milkman!
crosecattle
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You don't think milkman will clean her up to much and then they wouldn't be able to classify?? I was thinking I am Legend but he would probably do the exact same.
twistedhshowstock
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I have wanted to try The Situation for some Americans...but I have seen some good American calves out of Milkman.
Bradenh
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interesting! or true grit! the char bulls wont clean her up too much not to class, they tend to have a little more ear and leather than the black clubby bulls(imo)twistedhshowstock said:
rackranch
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How have her calves looked and what have you bred to her up to this point?
DCC show cattle
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being a purebred gert I would be scared the milkmans would get to big. Buckcherry and powerplus have worked for us in the pass but idk if that cow will be stout enough to work with those two. If you can find the semen The Hammer bull lucherk use to own has raised some great ones, I literally just aied my last straw to a big ribbed purebred brangus female of ours tonight and im literally praying she stuck. Another option is paddy o malley if the cow is real moderate. any irish whiskey bloodline has clicked real well with us just havent found one to make a fort worth calf yet. I'm wanting to try walks alone on one of our cows though. Ammo has also worked but seems to straighten one up a touch. Thats just our experience with a few all on american or cheater american cows. I dont think I would flush her until I see some calves out of crossed bulls. It would be sad to spend that much money to flush and the time to get calves that won't class...
Bradenh
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Walks alone would be one to think of! I could see that clicking for an abc steer for a haired show
Bradenh
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Yes I don't like it, but it isn't going to change, and you can't take a fullblood in there! Have to live with it but vent when you can, frostback what bull do you like?
Why cant you take a fullblood in there? Maybe there is a market for some half blood bulls(half american and half europe)? Then you can breed them to your americans and have a better chance of classifying? Do they all get steered? These are questions not smart comments. A lot of the bulls you mention are ones I consider, but you know your market better than me.
crosecattle
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Thanks for the input guys. The only reason we are looking at flushing instead of ai'ing her is she is due in next month. I don't want to hold her over for another year just to wait and see if her ai'd to a clubby bull will work and then decide to flush her. This industry is a gamble anyway. I was just seeing what opinions some of ya'll might have. Yes she is moderate.
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Bradenh
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if you have the $-$-$-$ go for it! how have her other calves looked?
frostback, didnt want to steal a topic so i sent you a message
frostback, didnt want to steal a topic so i sent you a message
I like the looks of your Gert cow, not your typical Gert, she might click with the right bull. thought about this for a couple of days and if she were mine I think I'd try two different flushes. First I'd try Joe B. Joe Behrens black bull that has had many, many Americans get branded at SA and Houston. I can foresee this flush would probably only work for slick steers. Then if I really wanted to "think outside the box" I'd try Tiger Woods, hope to get one that would class for FW and also have hair. I can't imagine your cow helping any on hair but maybe she'd put enough ear, head shape and sheath to class. IMO at FW if you show an American you've got to be on the bubble and good hair is a must. I know some might disagree but to play the game at FW with Americans you have to be right on that very fine line of classing yet still have some stout, square hip (unlike SA and Houston American classes), and to get that you have to have some club genetics. Realizing also that the result of this Tiger Woods mating is going to be a Vegas gamble. A family from our county had a 5th place Heavy Wt. American steer that was sort of along this same idea. Half Shorthorn, great hair, square, lots of muscle and the only thing that got him in with the classifiers was his ears and lots and lots of luck. I think the classifiers were too busy admiring his color and hair, but that's a whole nother thread that I don't want to get into. And the other option if she were mine (and considering you're at West) would be to ask the Pierce guys opinion. They may have something right there that would work. I've seen some really nice American steers at their sale in years past. It's interesting to ponder on the possibilities with this cow and has been fun. Wish you the best.
You could maybe try a bull they call Unleashed he is a registered brangus but it used mostly in the club calf business.........here is a link to his page
http://bovine-elite.com/clubepd2.asp?idProduct=3591
http://bovine-elite.com/clubepd2.asp?idProduct=3591
crosecattle
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Thanks Skeeter! Yes she is unique and have been thinking outtside the box. She has a heifer calf on the show road right now and has produced many calves that have been sold as show heifers. We are going to try a two different bulls and see what happens. It will be interesting. We have planned to use Joe B and a new red bull from McKay (Outlaw). Thanks for the input!!
TXSimmy
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Which cow is this?
kfacres
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skeeter said:
I can't believe you... promoting the useage of a non carrier bull to sire show steers.. the cow can't be a genetic carrier of anything, so how do you plan to win with a CLEAN calf? (argue) (pop) (clapping) O0 (dog)
I can't believe you... promoting the useage of a non carrier bull to sire show steers.. the cow can't be a genetic carrier of anything, so how do you plan to win with a CLEAN calf? (argue) (pop) (clapping) O0 (dog)
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what on earth was I thinking!!! sorry, just one old guy's thoughts - wouldn't be the first time I was out of touch and I'm sure won't be the last.
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what on earth was I thinking!!! sorry, just one old guy's thoughts - wouldn't be the first time I was out of touch and I'm sure won't be the last.
kfacres
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skeeter said:
what on earth was I thinking!!! sorry, just one old guy's thoughts - wouldn't be the first time I was out of touch and I'm sure won't be the last.
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I don't know... you must not be right... (smile)
PS.. I agree!
