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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2019, 01:24:56 PM »
I know a guy who had 2,639 cows as of January 1st. In two states. His cut off for a bull birth weight is right around 80 pounds. If you think he oughta sell his cows.......you better pack your lunch.....and have at least an ar15 with you. You said you sold 99% of the one bulls sons to commercial guys.....? So you must have sold exactly 100 sons to come up with that number. Bless your heart.
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2019, 01:35:43 PM »
And don't get me wrong. I am glad the Shorthorn breed is thriving in the show cattle world. They are good cattle. A lot of Shorthorn cows can have a 110 pound calf. That's great. They have a good disposition. The Shorthorn breed has what...........about a 1 % market share in selling bulls to commercial people in North America? Shorthorn breeders of today tend to tell commercial people how to run their operations. When the Shorthorn breed listens to what the beef cow industry wants and needs.......they might actually become a player in the industry.
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2019, 03:04:24 PM »
Judging from the results of the recently released MARC data, maybe the cattle industry should listen a little to what the Shorthorn breed has to say.  I certainly hope this data is well publicized. 


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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2019, 03:29:27 PM »
Got a link to that newly released data? Id like to read that.
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2019, 04:22:59 PM »
It's on the ASA website and some of it was in the January issue of Shorthorn Country.  I'll have to see if my daughter can help me post it.  Several breeds were tested for numerous traits including ADG, yield grade, backfat, quality grade, etc.  I'll let you judge the results for yourself, but in my opinion, they need to be plastered all over the bulletin boards of every sale barn, sent to every feed yard, and mailed to every feedlot order buyer in the US and Canada.  After seeing the results, it's hard for me to figure out why "They're worth more if they're black."

As long as I'm writing, I might as well voice my displeasure with the personal attacks on SP.  I wish there was a way they could be edited or removed all together.  It's pretty easy for somebody to publicly complain on a faceless computer when something doesn't go their way.  Life happens.  Unpleasant things have happened to all of us.  We want everything to work out perfectly for all of our friends and customers, but sometimes they don't.  We've all been on both sides.  I sincerely want everyone who has ever bought cattle from me to make a million dollars or win the national championship.  I believe most everyone I've ever bought cattle from wants the best for me.  I don't think there's any place on SP for what could be interpreted as defamation of character or blackmail. 

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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2019, 06:16:28 PM »
If I remember right......academia brought us to the "baby beef" belt buckle cattle. The cow calf people who have survived the last 30 years ought to be listened to. They don't give a damn about a full brother to a national champion bull. The ones who did went broke 20 years ago.
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2019, 08:16:28 AM »
And don't get me wrong. I am glad the Shorthorn breed is thriving in the show cattle world. They are good cattle. A lot of Shorthorn cows can have a 110 pound calf. That's great. They have a good disposition. The Shorthorn breed has what...........about a 1 % market share in selling bulls to commercial people in North America? Shorthorn breeders of today tend to tell commercial people how to run their operations. When the Shorthorn breed listens to what the beef cow industry wants and needs.......they might actually become a player in the industry.//// This Is Darrel Jenkins the West Va cowpoke-Wheres tha black Shorthorns ? O0
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2019, 04:34:53 PM »

I have just ordered another 20 straws, which makes 90 straws that I have used so far. 


I actually just got another 20 straws of Fire Storm since I posted the last post so I now have got 110 straws.


Getting back to Fire Storm, I have absolutely no interest in him,   

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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2019, 05:58:19 PM »
I agree -the devil is also in the genetics-and they will come back to haunt sometines quite a few generations later This is an example of the show cattle epds-heres a Waco son I thought was cool looking etc but his Shadybrook dam-also very nice in the pictures ALSO went back to what could be called popular Canadian breeding-It sure aint CE-Hes been on Semex for several years so he had to have been used some or they would not have kept him up there with the other 3 Shorthorns Hes called  Blenview Chaser204 C hes Sired by Waco SUPPOSEDLY WAS 96 pounds at birth -And only 3 calves have been registered out of him -one a heifer at 115 pounds Waco was used alot-and may even have better EPDS than Salute first and second hand There have been ALOT of trainwrecks from both of them and the well known syndicated others-so much for EPDS across the board And its a good thing the huddled masses and the unworthy are far away from these genetics O0
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2019, 06:09:57 PM »
Interesting.........
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2019, 07:57:33 PM »
Interesting.........


Indeed. Lets exercise the demons folks. Right here. Right now.
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2019, 09:24:48 PM »
i aint that extreme-just research the cattle before u breed. The worst thing Ive seen other than the flat out liars in Shorthorns is how they shoot down and badmouth almost any useful animal  that alot of different people from outside the breed use-Two examples-good or bad that BROUGHT THE BREED TO LIFE INSPITE OF THE MIS DESCRIBED GENETICS OF THE POPULAR CATTLE  WERE DOUBLE STUFF AND PROUD JAZZ-both were used on more breeds than almost anything I can think of-including alot of the Angus -But-I NEEDS THE MONEY-YES FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS JUST SEND $19.95 to to the LONG DISTANCE PHONE LINE TO HEAVEN (managed by UB Shorthorns) AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO CHANGE THESE HARD CALVINGS O0
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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2019, 02:14:22 AM »
I've seen 3 daughters down here in Australia, and they are all pretty handy. I have a video of one and pictures of all 3, PM me and I can email them to you because i'm tired of adjusting a bunch of pictures to fit the size limits. This particular farm used 5 straws and got 3 heifers, so they are what they are. He was used in mature cows and had no calving issues--if there had been problems they wouldn't have survived the birthing process.

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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2019, 07:40:28 AM »
Obviously the cow is at least half of the equation-the Aussie cattle have been bred for commercial useage for many years-I would have to assume that they are genetically alot easier calving than most of the Shorhorns up here  O0

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Re: Hill Haven Fire Storm 28C
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2019, 02:09:09 PM »
Obviously the cow is at least half of the equation-the Aussie cattle have been bred for commercial useage for many years-I would have to assume that they are genetically alot easier calving than most of the Shorhorns up here  O0
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Well I am hearing the same thing as shortybreeder. I spoke with two more breeders in the last 24 hours that have had Fire Storm calves born in the past two weeks. So far, I have not heard of a single  calf that was assisted at birth. One guy said he now has 5 on the ground and they look really good. He said they are weighing in the low 90s at birth.( From research done in the past, a 90 lb calf in Canada is similar to an 80 lb calf born in Texas from the same genetics ) But that really doesn't mean much to most of you EPD experts. You seem to be convinced he will be a cow killer, yet those with actual experience with calves on the ground are not saying anything like this. I think I know who I am going to believe. I have asked everyone I have talked with, if they plan on using Fire Storm again this year. Everyone has said, based on the calves they have on the ground that they will definitely using him again.... but I guess that doesn't matter.  There will be a bunch more Fire Storm calves born in the next few weeks. So far, I have seen several of them and I have not seen a poor calf yet.
So I am now wondering, that after you all are done bashing Fire Storm, have you got any plans as to who you are going to bash next? The negativity presented by some of the regulars on this site is a bit mind boggling!
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