Homedale Creole 135

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librarian

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How do I determine from the pedigree if there is Maine in this animal and how much? I don't know how to decipher the letters associated with the names in asterisk animals.
I really like this bull and don't care if he has Maine, ( because whatever it is, it worked)  just want to learn how to sort it out.
 

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oakview

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There is no "official" Maine in Creole 135 to the best of my knowledge.  When fullblood Maines were introduced into the ASA herdbook, their registration number began with MA.  Check out CF Trump's pedigree and his grandsire Cunia for reference. 
 

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x3854743 DNA-N C CISCO SE 539
  *x3921311 PM DS-F DNA-Y JG CACTUS JACK C9340
                                                                                  HS RODEO DRIVE 062WR
      *x3855100 DNA-N QH SWEET RODEO DRIVE 9Q32
Sire: *x3961249 PHA-F TH-F DS-F DNA-Y GFS CREOLE 9590 ET
        x3766428 DNA-N BG BANNER LEGS 355
  x3859475 PS DNA-N BG BANNER DUCHESS 924
        x3797418 DNA-N BG DUCHESS MARGO 578
GFS CREOLE 135
          x3668664 DNA-N DEFENDER MAZENA ADAIR
    x3668667 DNA-N MOLLIE'S DEFENDER ADAIR
          x3668111 DNA-N ECHO'S MOLLIE CHERRY
Dam: *x4161070 DNA-N HOMEDALE RUBY S 914
          x3986783 PHA-F TH-F DS-F DNA-Y HOMEDALE BLIZZARD
    *x4137939 DNA-N HOMEDALE RUBY B 7728   
                                                                *x3961249 PHA-F TH-F DS-F DNA-Y GFS CREOLE 9590
                  *x4018119 DNA-N HOMEDALE RUBY C 9914
As far as I can figure GFS Creole 135 should no longer carry an * in the American herd book. He caries two crosses of HS RODEO DRIVE 062WR and Rodeo Drive was recorded as 15/16 shorthorn and 1/16 Chianina. That makes Creole 9590 127/128 and Creole 135 255/256. The other Rodeo Drive cross is down to 1023/1024 (99.90%) in Homedale Ruby S914. I don't think the ASA is very consistent in the application of the *
 

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Thanks. The G9 I'll leave to the sands of time, but I thought anything with a name like Instant Enticer would be part Maine
like Creole because he has that smooth look like the old polled Shorthorns.
 

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Enticer was definetly at least part Maine-he looked it-so did his progeny-back when the purebred business was alot like the club calf business.and DNA wasnt in use. Rodeo was alot more Chi as well-but both bulls did alot of good in thier way.As for Creole-he has a similar look (or sorts) to Gary Kapers cattle-as far as being so smooth made-and is related through Surge and probably others in his past. Has anyone seen any calves out of him? O0
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Enticer was definetly at least part Maine-he looked it-so did his progeny-back when the purebred business was alot like the club calf business.and DNA wasnt in use. Rodeo was alot more Chi as well-but both bulls did alot of good in thier way.As for Creole-he has a similar look (or sorts) to Gary Kapers cattle-as far as being so smooth made-and is related through Surge and probably others in his past. Has anyone seen any calves out of him? O0
calves out of which of those? I've had 5 purebred SH out of 135 and loved all of them so far.
 

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Seen any calves out of Homedale Creole - Ive had Rodeo daughters and Granddaughters-Grandsons sons of Enticer-I thought  Byland Goldwalk and Byland Dazzler were the best Enticer relatives. Both had and still have a major impact today. O0
 

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Like I said, there is no "official" Maine blood in Creole 135. 

What do you see as similarities in the two bulls pictured?  I'm having a hard time finding any, other than they are both red and appear polled. 
 

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oakview said:
What do you see as similarities in the two bulls pictured?

I am the first to say my entire approach to looking at cattle amounts to nothing more than pattern recognition. And it's fanciful, shot through with flaws and essentially emotional.
As with ink blots, the psyche of the observer influences their perceptions.

All that said, I see a pattern of head shape, specifically relationship distance between the eyes and the the shape of the muzzle. The proportions between the length of the body and the length of the legs seem related as well as the way the head sits upon the neck.
More than any of that however, is the look in the eye, and I will accept that as being my a manifestation of my romantic imagination.

This is not a verbal thing.
Here is another bull I see the same thing in. I forget his name and breeding, but I think he looks genetically similar.
And another bull that shows the same spirit in his head and body, but in a wilder, more masculine, way.

And, to cement myself in to position as a crazy person....a picture of 32Z that, to me and probably only me, LOOKS, more like a Galloway than a Shorthorn. ...Leading me to suggest that features I recognize in 135 are rising from the deep well on the bottom side of his pedigree.

And a Galloway to justify my unjustified opinion about 32Z



 

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