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Title: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 05, 2018, 07:23:47 AM
My friend Dale Allison has a very good herd of Shorthorns that have been bred for performance as long as I have been around and then some They are basically high quality solid red no problem cattle-with Byland,Waukaru and Kieth Lauer breeding way on back at least 70 years-BUT they would show too Dale bought JJC Wildside a few years back who was CE and bred cows as long as most bulls bull Ive seen He sired 14 registered progeny at 13 years old. He changed these cattle in one generation-and there were some females that were just outstanding Heres a solid Red -1.2 BW EPD 70 pound BW  son of one of those daughters-with Waukaru and Lauer Rocker Bros Breeding etc behind her His reg no is 4251563-these are just quick cell pics in his working cloths-I HOPE Dale DOESNT MIND ME DOING THIS THREAD-but this is one of the cooler commercially oriented and bred bulls Ive seen-with the shot of Oldschool clubby that ads power ALOT of Shorthorns need-He and Docs Hot Commodity sons-are probably by far the best (only non show fitted) sons Ive seen-They are real and hopefully should be ok on heifers-and you can show the calves  O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: Gargan on December 05, 2018, 07:45:06 AM
 (clapping)
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: Duncraggan on December 06, 2018, 12:00:04 PM
Correct Reg.# is 4251563
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 06, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
Man id better look him up think this bull is correct too? O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: Dale on December 07, 2018, 08:45:21 AM
Homeplace Hot Commodity 1625 is Mr. Moderate and may be a heifer bull, but it is too early to tell.  His genomics will be tested to increase the accuracy of his numbers.  1625 is DS free.  His grandam and great, great, grandams (Fair Lady 0909 and 0415) are two-time Performance Dams and still graze these rolling hills of SW IN.

JJC Wild Side was carried for years at SEK Genetics.  Wild Side moderated frame and added style without sacrificing function.  Search for his video under JJC Wild Side at YouTube, when he was 13 years old.

Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: E6 Durhams on December 07, 2018, 09:52:22 AM
https://youtu.be/vR-TVsOTNvM
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 07, 2018, 10:19:25 AM
Thats Wildside 13 or so in the video-I have it too-Talk about stayability,and those are some pretty good calves O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: yuppiecowboy on December 10, 2018, 02:36:27 AM
I give up... I was trying to put that picture of that red bull in profile in my message and I am not getting it done...

That being said... what do commercial people want their bull to look like? They want a bull like THAT. Not a cat butt Bismark or a Gelbvieh fronted weak topped bull. They want a bull like THAT.

I have appreciated Homeplace shorthorns for 40 years... I really appreciate that bull...
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 10, 2018, 07:15:44 AM
PM me with an email-I"ll send the pics O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: Dale on December 14, 2018, 07:19:16 AM
Besides the influence of his sire and grandsire, Hot Commodity and Wild Side, 1625 has some conformation similarity to Waukaru Gold Mine 2109, one of Waukaru's top sires.  Gold Mine had extra thickness and depth, and he has stood the test of time.  As a yearling Gold Mine was most impressive, foretelling his legendary ability to sire useful cattle.  He looked like a beef bull should look.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 14, 2018, 07:48:07 AM
Hes alot like a Kieth Lauer bull when you go back in his pedigree-The Lauer -Waukaru Enticer based cattle (Awesome, Goldwalk,Double Duty etc etc) go gangbusters with a little maine or clubby-plus you have the Rodeo-Enticer cross in there some how too-But what he has THAT alot of them dont is THAT EYE APPEAL-From the side and behind-Me and Gargan for one(there are others) are all in on a lttle semen on him O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: Dale on December 14, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
A well-known Angus breeder saw Byland Goldwalk and said he could sell black bulls like Goldwalk to commercial customers all day long.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 14, 2018, 06:27:03 PM
Goldwalk was probably the thickest bull Byland produced I even sold a son to Bill Davidson that made the young sires list etc he had a 205 over 860 pounds and wasnt real tall just massive had alot of sheath like goldwalk He was called UB Fleetfoot-and he looked a little like your bull from behind Byland Instant Attention looked pretty stout too You could tell they went back to maine-but Goldwalk also went back to some pretty level hips and tops so he didnt roll too much -Must have been fairly square made considering O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 15, 2018, 06:39:57 PM
Here's the bulls dam Fair Lady 1211 : 41397022 - (roan with the calf) shes my kind and was a very impressive calf when I saw her and his grandam a pacer cow who looks LauerxWaukaru which she is-the great great grandam is alive too and I remember her-Eagle 158 daughter-little maine in there too and also a  pacer dam O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: Dale on December 21, 2018, 07:25:57 PM
After 1625 is finished running with cows, we expect to collect him.  What is the optimum length of time for a bull to rest after being out with cows, before he is collected?  Doc Nold preferred waiting until spring--his theory was that springtime is much of wildlife's natural rutting season and possibly the best for cattle.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: shortybreeder on December 21, 2018, 08:11:10 PM
After 1625 is finished running with cows, we expect to collect him.  What is the optimum length of time for a bull to rest after being out with cows, before he is collected?  Doc Nold preferred waiting until spring--his theory was that springtime is much of wildlife's natural rutting season and possibly the best for cattle.
With most males, seasonality isn't much of an issue, cattle in particular. As long as he is in reasonable body condition, he could go straight to collection after being with the cows. It's better to get into it sooner rather than later because his body is still maintaining high concentrations of healthy sperm. If you wait a few months then the first few ejaculates will likely have low progressive motility percentages as his body "flushes out" the system.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 22, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
I agree with Shorty breeder if hes in good order I"d jump him a couple times O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: Dale on January 02, 2019, 08:27:32 AM
Thanks, Shortybreeder.  1625 will be running with cows for a few more weeks, since we are mostly a fall-calving herd.  0415 is a daughter of another Performance Dam, Fair Lady 9333, that raised a good calf at age 16.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: Gargan on January 14, 2019, 07:43:00 AM
Saw this guy is new on cattle visions site. Not astute enough on dams side to know if hed be ce deal or not.
https://cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=4492&bulltype=5
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2019, 07:57:53 AM
Saw this guy is new on cattle visions site. Not astute enough on dams side to know if hed be ce deal or not.
https://cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=4492&bulltype=5    BE THERE OR BE SQUARE COME CALVING TIME Jim checked him out and more or less was not impressed long and short-both Docs and certainly Dales are the real deal for ce so far-And are alot stouter naturally  Neither one grew up like FLUFFY THE KITTYCAT LOl O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: Gargan on January 14, 2019, 11:36:15 AM
Gotcha,  the fact that he's $50/ straw and unproven would deter me  <beer>
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2019, 12:41:39 PM
Gotcha,  the fact that he's $50/ straw and unproven would deter me  <beer> Yup-maybe try him on a cow I heard big head and awfull narrow as adjectives I dont think you are gonna change CE in one generation on those genetics-but its a start at $50 a straw he will just get traded around the same click like the syndicated ones-So I doubt there will ever be accurate use of him anyhow LOl O0
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: WinterSpringsFarm on January 15, 2019, 04:46:20 AM
Gotcha,  the fact that he's $50/ straw and unproven would deter me  <beer>


Psssh, gotta get in on the ground floor and ride it to the top man!  ;D
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: Gargan on January 15, 2019, 05:52:34 AM
Lol.  <beer>
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: SEA on January 17, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Thanks, Shortybreeder.  1625 will be running with cows for a few more weeks, since we are mostly a fall-calving herd.  0415 is a daughter of another Performance Dam, Fair Lady 9333, that raised a good calf at age 16.

Dale,

1. Have you taken 1625 in to be collected yet, and/or when will you?  How did he do?
2. How will you market semen?  Privately or through a semen sales company?
3. What will price of semen be?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: Dale on January 17, 2019, 06:35:53 PM
1625 will need to run with our cows and some heifers a little longer.  I'll get back to you when we know.  The best guess is that he will be collected in Feb. if that can be worked out.  The price will be reasonable.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: SEA on January 17, 2019, 08:40:18 PM
Thank you Dale.
Title: Re: Homeplace Hot Commoity 1625 AND DAM BELOW HE DEFINETLY GETS COLLECTED
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 17, 2019, 09:32:22 PM
Need to send SEK 50 or so straws and put him on there between 20-25 bucks a straw-It might take awhile-but with the real pasture pics and a good description he will sell some and gain momentum-Everybody is doing photoshops and slick marketing-one like him will get attention with a straightforward couple pictures-then some progeny pics-And a progression of the same non professional images as he matures O0