Houston Carcass Results

They are up.

http://meat.tamu.edu/HLSR/2010%20HLSR/2010%20HLSR%20Steers.pdf

chambero said:

They are up.

http://meat.tamu.edu/HLSR/2010%20HLSR/2010%20HLSR%20Steers.pdf

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Funny the steer that won was the only steer that graded prime..better numbers than i thought, would have liked to have seen more prime, and less selects!

when i got to handle him, i didn't think ther was any way the champ would rib a 15 inch eye... then again, ii thought the one from SA handled like he would cut an 18, and he only cut a 14... what is the decieving factors here?

Pretty impressive for the winning steer to be a Prime Yield Grade 1, those don't happen every day.

fed_champions said:

when i got to handle him, i didn't think ther was any way the champ would rib a 15 inch eye... then again, ii thought the one from SA handled like he would cut an 18, and he only cut a 14... what is the decieving factors here?

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or a select carcass with that high of a yield grade?  what was his backfat?  the select steer versus the Pr- steer?

knabe said:

fed_champions said:

when i got to handle him, i didn't think ther was any way the champ would rib a 15 inch eye... then again, ii thought the one from SA handled like he would cut an 18, and he only cut a 14... what is the decieving factors here?

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or a select carcass with that high of a yield grade?  what was his backfat?  the select steer versus the Pr- steer?

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Handling a steer is a complete waste of time and is just entertainment for the crowd/exhibitor. 

fed_champions said:

when i got to handle him, i didn't think ther was any way the champ would rib a 15 inch eye... then again, ii thought the one from SA handled like he would cut an 18, and he only cut a 14... what is the decieving factors here?

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You just can't tell that level of detail on a steer by looking on the outside.  I was suprised the Grand was a dark cutter - he was extremely "juicy" when I felt of him during the week of the heifer show. 

I think the value of carcass results from a show like this is looking at the calves as a whole.

the champion steer wasn't prime, the winner of the carcass contest was.... he was 2nd in the middle weight maines, he looked like a dalmation... had a lot of holstien in him and they marble very well... On the handle, the champion steer was very soft and non descript in his muscle shape

fed_champions said:

the champion steer wasn't prime, the winner of the carcass contest was.... he was 2nd in the middle weight maines, he looked like a dalmation... had a lot of holstien in him and they marble very well... On the handle, the champion steer was very soft and non descript in his muscle shape

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that alone should dictate a receptivity to change, but it won't.

anyone know the breeding on the spotted calf?

fed champions  If you think that steer had any holstein in him you are an absolute moron. Have you seen the color coming from some of these club calf sires over the last five or so years. A holstein steer will also only cut about a 10" loin eye and will usually grade low to average choice. That girl that showed that calf also showed the grand at ft.worth last year so I dought she would take the time to feed a holstein cross.

Actually, alot of breeders introduce holstein influence into their maine cowherds, in order to increase milk... i should've never said a lot of holstein influence, but almost every show steer has a plethera of breeds in their pedigree, so i would say he had some, but not enough to call him a holstein cross... Besides his color, he didn't show any traits of holsteins, as he was heavy muscled and moderately framed, but all breeds have dominant genes and his meat quality seems to be a result of that breed... Again Im not sayin he has a lot of holstein, but believe he has some.

my comment wasn't so much regarding holstein percentage, but that a different look calf may have better carcasses than what we have trained our eye to look for which appeared in one isolated case to not be a good calf.  he was probably the exception rather than the rule over time.

Fed champions you are very correct in that the maine steer in question may well have had Holstein in him. Since Sugar Ray was supposedly 6% Holstein, it is very conceivable that Holstein blood is present. My quick math says that if the steer for instance, was out of Friction, the calf would be approximately .375%, or around 1/320th Holstein Friesen decent.

As far as supporting your contention that A) there would be any heritable traits at that dilution, or that B) said traits of a flipping Holstein would aid in the steers ability produce a fine carcass, you are on your own. 

When I read your post, I assumed you were making some sort of joke.

Seeing you defend your statement, even with concessions has me stunned.

Question ---do you believe holstein has been used in the Angus breed to achieve their carcass cattle goals an performance to go with it ...

fed_champions said:

the champion steer wasn't prime, the winner of the carcass contest was.... he was 2nd in the middle weight maines, he looked like a dalmation... had a lot of holstien in him and they marble very well... On the handle, the champion steer was very soft and non descript in his muscle shape

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I know he wasnt the grand live steer. THe grand carcass steer was raised by the girl that won ft worth last year!!

Hey freddy I was always told that holsteins were used in the angus breed back in the 80's to make them taller when that was the in thing. Don't know if that was fact or just someone jerking my chain.

A.P. said:

Hey freddy I was always told that holsteins were used in the angus breed back in the 80's to make them taller when that was the in thing. Don't know if that was fact or just someone jerking my chain.

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I have seen some super nice stein/sim recip cows, easy could be bred to get good show animals.

i think smithbuilt is 1/32 holstein

I think some stein got into the angus gene pool, sure. If you can find a picture of say, Cobble Pond New Yorker, you would think they were high % stein. As far as carcass number angus cattle owing their quality traits to their stein heritage, I'm not buying it. It was purported to me that the Jorgenson herd had spotted blood in them, and I certainly cant refute that, but if we dna tested one of the suspects I doubt we would find any more holstein than my Friction example.

Hey I never thought Debull on a hard doing irish shorthorn cow would work, so what do I know, but unless you use a time machine back to 1986, I dont see the simmystein cutting it.

I won the light wieght maine class last year and placed 4th in the carcass grading. I think I was more excited about placing 4th in the grading than winning the class.