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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2007, 10:08:18 PM »
what was ever the outcome of the happenings at the Ohio State Fair a few years ago? At least I think it was Ohio. My apologies if it wasn't. All I can remember reading about it here in Iowa was the father accused the fitter, the fitter accused the steer jock, the steer jock accused the father. One vicious circle. I think it involved air or corn oil under the hide of a steer. Seem to remember it being a Shorthorn but that might be from another time. I know I'm rambling, so I'll shut up.

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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2007, 10:39:32 AM »
I think if they are kicked out for falsifying registration documents, then it ought to be published somewhere....    AQHA, APHA, AKC all do.   There is a need to know by the general public.    Think about it..   A novice has been talking to 'Herb' about buying a heifer but has no clue that Herb has recently been booted from the organization.  So Mr. Novice buys the heifer and then the papers never come.   In the meantime, Novice has put in loads of time & work on a heifer that he intended to show as a registered heifer at the Jr. National or whatever.  Yes Herb is even guiltier for not disclosing and there is probably reason for a civil suit but still if Novice could have done a simple websearch he might have saved all the time and disappointment.   


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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2007, 12:23:23 PM »
Well said kanshow - if Show Heifer hadn't written such a great poem you would be in the running for the Silver Tongue Award (its a good thing - means you are eloquent, erudite or articulate, or since I am the handler of the envelop please that I like what you said) but SH is gonna be hard to beat on this one!
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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2007, 12:34:22 PM »
I think putting it public in a statement from the association is the best way to go.  It helps for the real story to be out there rather than just rumours and exaggerations.  It helps the other cattle people decide who they are willing to forgive and who they aren't, rather than just having a list of names without reasons.  Now I know for some of you that the names would be good enough as pretty much anything that puts someone on a DQ list is bad enough, but other people may consider some evils bigger than others and I think they should be able to distinguish between them.  And as Gypsy said, it reflects well upon the breed association to have it out there what they do and don't take.

The wife question is a little tricky.  For some that work jointly in the cattle, they already have cows in her name and she might have full well known what was going on.  But on the other end of the spectrum if you have a wife who has never registered a calf and all of a sudden starts, when it's really ole Herb, well that's not right either.  But for all those in the middle ground, I think maybe you have to give the wife benefit of the doubt.  I don't know.  Tricky.  What do the other associations mentioned do.
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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2007, 02:01:26 PM »
Haven't the Maines published such a list before? I remember years ago several bulls weren't who they were supposed to be & an owner being banned. Maybe I'm dreaming that one up or something.

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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2007, 02:59:26 PM »

It is the original breeder or breeders on the registration papers of an individual animal, that should be held accountable for any misrepresentation of those documents.

It is our breed associations that should prosecute those breeders with inaccurate pedigrees. Otherwise, what would be the point in registering anything.

It is a dirty shame when we have to question the accuracy of pedigrees. Important financial decisions are made by most breeders I know, on these pedigrees.

These modern day outlaws should face some sort of disciplinary action just to keep it from getting out of control.
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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2007, 03:17:45 PM »
Money is the root of all evil. Why, then, do we root for more?

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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2007, 03:50:51 PM »
"The LOVE of money is the root of all evil."  The money does nothing wrong.  fallen man, in our sinful nature, is the problem.
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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 03:42:28 PM »
I don't remember all the details but several years ago I read in the VOICE about a breeder having his current registrations expunged and was not allowed to register any cattle within the breed for a specific period of years. I am almost sure it was in the early to mid 90's. I can't remember what the wrongful act was, does anyone else remember this or am I the only old timer here.
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Re: Kicked out - should it be public??
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 04:21:23 PM »
No, I remember the same thing but can't find it. I think I even know who it was or at least would if I saw the name.

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