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I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« on: January 20, 2019, 01:19:11 PM »
About a year ago, I posted a picture of HC Cruiser 59C and I received a fair bit of abuse including being called a liar etc etc. A couple regulars on this site accused me of tampering with the photo with photoshop. ( obviously they didn't realize that I don't know the first thing about doing that and I have no desire to learn!) Well, here is a picture of him taken last week  and here are some facts for you to consider before you tell me what is wrong with him or me!( by the way, he is definitely not perfect, but I think he does have some strong traits) I will also say that these are the actual facts.

1) he was born from a 2 year old heifer unassisted with a BW of 82 lbs.
2) he was our high selling bull in 2016 at $16,500 at 9 months of age. After buying him, the new owners told me that they were surprised they bought him so reasonably. They said they had gone to the sale prepared to go a fair bit higher. One of the reasons they were so high on him was that they were tired of hard calving clubby genetics and having replacement heifers from clubby bulls that didn't milk or had poor fertility.  They bought him, to produce show steers and heifers. A week after they purchased him, a leading clubby producer in these parts offered them $16,500 for a 1/2 interest in him. They turned him down as they wanted to have the first calves from him. I was able to get back into him, after the man who purchased him died suddenly, and his wife offered to give me a half interest in him back if I would winter 25 replacement heifers for her. That really was a " no brainer" for me.
3) At 9 months of age, Cruiser had the highest score of all our sale bulls that year in his breeding soundness exam. He tested 93 % at 9 months
4) I bred a few cows and heifers to him from semen I collected before he left here. His first son sold in our sale at $9000 last year, selling to a commercial herd in Manitoba to be used on black cows.
5) I picked Cruiser up on December 12th, 2018 and since arriving here, he has been running on a quarter section with our other herd bull and he has only had a few pounds of bull pellets and hay each day. I know some will say that he is far too fat, but I will assure you that is meat you are looking at in this picture. When I picked him up on December 12th, he had been running with cows on pasture  and wheat stubble before that.
6) So far, we have had 12 first calf heifers calve to Cruiser. 100% have calved unassisted with most BWs between 78-88 lbs. We had one calf at 90 lbs last year, but the heifer calved this calf easily.
7) He is without any doubt the widest based bull we have had on this farm in my lifetime. I have had two pretty good cowboys ( that raise some really good Angus) see him recently. One of them said that Cruiser has as much natural muscle as any bull of any breed he has seen. The other guy said he ranked him as one of the best beef bulls he has seen of any breed.
8) He has great feet and is structurally sound. His feet are perfectly formed and I would be very surprised if he will ever need to have his feet trimmed.
9) since picturing him last week, I have had two inquiries from cattlemen who don't even raise Shorthorns, to buy into him, as well as numerous requests for semen. We have not collected semen other than the few straws of " in herd use " semen I collected when he was a year old.

So far, I am pleased with the calves I have had from him. He downsizes frame and adds thickness, without slowing performance. I have a couple coming two year old daughters to calve in April. They look like the right kind.  We are selling 5 sons in our March 5th Sun Country sale. All were born from first calf heifers and all were unassisted at birth. We are also selling two replacement heifers sired by Cruiser as well. 
I have also attached a picture of his first son we have sold. HC Enforcer 60E. He sold for $9000 at 11 months of age and went to a commercial producer.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 04:20:43 PM by justintime »
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2019, 01:43:25 PM »
he has urine stains or something on the white part of his hide.


definitely a no go here.  (sarcasm)

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 01:58:14 PM »
he has urine stains or something on the white part of his hide.


definitely a no go here.  (sarcasm)


Thanks knabe!  That gave me a chuckle!  The urine stains come from him laying down by the hay feeder the night before we pictured. He had a big straw pack he could have laid on... but no.... he has to flop down in the S**t.!
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2019, 03:14:57 PM »
Who carries semen in the states?

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2019, 03:41:45 PM »
Who carries semen in the states?

The only semen that has been collected was some " in herd use only' semen that I collected for my own use when he was a year old. In order to get US qualified semen, he would have to be quarantined in a licensed AI stud for at at least 45-50 days and then after he passes all tests, semen can be collected. The closest stud qualified to collect US semen is 600 miles from here, so if I get a chance before breeding season, to get him out there, I will. If not, it will be next winter before we can get some.
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2019, 03:46:28 PM »
he has urine stains or something on the white part of his hide.


definitely a no go here.  (sarcasm)


Thanks knabe!  That gave me a chuckle!  The urine stains come from him laying down by the hay feeder the night before we pictured. He had a big straw pack he could have laid on... but no.... he has to flop down in the S**t.!

knabe... here is his other side. Maybe you can use this side?
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 03:47:32 PM by justintime »
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2019, 04:23:55 PM »
Who carries semen in the states?


the navy?

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2019, 04:24:41 PM »
knabe... here is his other side. Maybe you can use this side?


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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2019, 12:46:20 PM »
Bull is nice and thick JIT!

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2019, 01:00:13 PM »
What is there not to like about that bull?  He may be stained, but he's cleaner than any of my bulls right now!

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2019, 09:50:44 PM »
Id be interested in seeing pics of some of his 2yo daughters.

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2019, 01:42:15 PM »
Interesting pedigree on that bull JIT, I like him. Wouldn't hesitate to use him on some of my larger framed cows at whatever point you get some semen cleared for the US.
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 09:52:36 AM »
Message I see loud and clear is there is US semen interest on this bull.
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 04:10:23 PM »
His sire is a cow killer. His dams sire is a cow killer.  He has as much natural muscle as any bull youve ever had.  Yet, at 4yrs old, is wider than any bull youve ever  had. (Including the 3000lbers) Yet hes being presented as a heifer bull option.  Truly remarkable. 


Just as a reference you know so I can exclude the possibility of my dealings with you being the remote exception, can you refetence even one Shorthorn breeder in all of the United States who has made a repeat bull purchase from you? 

The reality is that if even a 1/100th of your claims held any validity, there would be semen studs and breeders lined up at your doors  but theres not.  Lots of stories from buyers in far off lands but few papers being transferred (check the database) and even fewer notables using your bulls.   In fact,  I cant think of one single breeder in all of North America using any of your genetics.    Is there not anyone else that finds that wildly ironic considering how noteworthy he presents them as being?  Serious question. 

Funny background about how you re acquired this bull too.   Interesting how theres always a convoluted dynamic of sorts that accompanies every latest and greatest bull you decide to champion.

So back to the question can you reference even one?  Id like to speak with them and get a first hand account.  Surely as a businessman you have a book of reference?
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2019, 04:39:32 PM »
I hate judging cattle by pictures. I guess you can doctor pictures. I try not to look at pictures. I hate pictures.
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