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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2019, 06:55:06 PM »
I know that I have spent 4 months or so trying to photograph a bull. After about 500 shots and three months.....I came up with the perfect photo. Half of the photo's sucked. But I could put two photos......of the same bull up.....taken on the same day......and they don't even look like same bull.

That is exactly why I had a lady who takes cattle pictures for a living take the picture of Cruiser that I posted. I have tried to do it by myself, and I have never had any that looked as good as the bull does. Her exact words were " he is the stoutest Shorthorn bull I have ever laid eyes on'. Her family has been in the beef business for generations and she takes pictures throughout Canada.
What you have said here is exactly right. We almost froze to death picturing last week when it was -25 and windy so I took some more today. It still took me a long time to feel my fingers when I came into the house, but I did get some taken. Sometimes you have to take several pictures to get one that even looks like the animal actually does.
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2019, 07:06:29 PM »
Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didnt crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all Im saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big commercial type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. Ive never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. Thats a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. Ive never been to either place. Never seen JITs cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didnt like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldnt be looked upon as an attack on somebody. Its reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Cant say he hasnt done his share of winning up there. Cant begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, its a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless its a personal beef I cant see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isnt very long compared to angus. Ive seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I dont know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just dont know of any.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2019, 07:38:04 PM »
Pretty on the mark E 6-When it comes down to it-though-there really isnt much available on HC genetics at SEK or Cattle Visions etc other than Touchdown: so the small breeders may not feel like hunting the genetics down-Why the Paint Valleys Bylands jungels and leveldales of the world dont use these genetics probably stems from the fact that JITs deal is not strictly a performance herd-they are purebreds-that right or wrong  also integrate show-popular cattle genetics-and as such have some NON-PERFORMANCE BASED breeding-such as Sull Salute, popular Canadian blood like Pure Gold, Shadybrook etc.  yatta yatta.He did produce several good CE bulls along the way too-but none of them were readily (or easily) available down here-Touchdown is about it down here: he is a hit or miss bull on US Genetics JMO-But he REALLY worked on a couple commercial simm based cows at least when we used him the females kept are good cows- he was an EZ calver and was used on  several heifers-live calves-but they went to the sale barn a bust on the shorthorns I used him on-just didnt knick on them thats about all the experience i have Bollums in Minnesota used a bunch of embryos etc from the female side-so have some of the guys like Ralph Larson (I think) in Montana tho that may be OKOTOCS cattle tooO0
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2019, 08:05:16 PM »
Ive seen more of a co- mingle type situation unfolding more lately than ever. JSF has 4 Cates bulls in their sale. Cates is issuing a Leveldale bred bull. There is a bull in the Leveldale sale, Boardwalk x Maestro with a big ol rear hip. Lot 13 I think. PVF drove out to Shelly Petersons to buy the Eagle bull. And thats a long ass drive. The performance type breeders arent afraid to plug in a show type bull. Its not hard to find those examples in the sale books. Theyll dive the distance and spend the cash if they think the bull is worth it. 

A bull as stout as Cruiser looks should be bred to a SULL Red Knight cow down here. Maybe Gilmans Envied on one of JIts cows in a flush would be cool.
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2019, 08:59:39 PM »
Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didnt crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all Im saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big commercial type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. Ive never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. Thats a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. Ive never been to either place. Never seen JITs cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didnt like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldnt be looked upon as an attack on somebody. Its reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Cant say he hasnt done his share of winning up there. Cant begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, its a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless its a personal beef I cant see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isnt very long compared to angus. Ive seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I dont know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just dont know of any.

I agree with you in regards to Cruiser's buyers deciding not to sell a half interest for what they paid for him. That was their decision and I had no part in it. I was not involved in Cruiser other than I had collected a few straws of semen when he was a year old. When the man that bought him died suddenly, his wife asked me if I would winter a set of replacement heifers for her. She offered me a half interest in Cruiser to do this. I accepted her offer and I am glad I did. I would love to use some bulls that you have mentioned here, but very few Americans collect Canadian qualified semen.
I have not pursued the US market for several years, and Touchdown is the last bull I had at Cattle Visions. I still get quarterly checks from them for sales. I prefer to sell semen myself, only because it gives me a connection with the people who are using my bulls. I have semen stored at Hawkeye Breeders and I have my bulls listed on our website and I still seem to sell a nice quantity each year. I also have semen from 8-10 bulls in Australia, and I sell far more semen there than I ever thought of selling in the US. Like I said earlier, my customers are basically commercial producers, but I have a few sales each year to purebred breeders. My top bull in 2015 was $32,000 and another at $14,000. Cruiser was the top bull in 2016 at $16,500. Last year, my top bull was $11,000. Last year I had commercial buyers pay $9000, $8000 and two at $7000 and these are prices I can certainly live off.  When I started my ET program, it didn't make much sense to me, to do the same thing as everyone else was doing. I have used some American breeding but I don't chase it. I don't particularly try to produce show cattle which is what most everyone else seems to try to do. The UK and Australia are my biggest embryo markets with several hundred embryos sold to the UK each year. Australia has been close but the wicked drought has slowed that market down some. I still am selling embryos down there though. I am doing things differently than lots of others do. The fact that since I started in this ET deal, as a way to get to genetics to the US when BSE hit Canada, I have sold over 2400 embryos to 14 countries is something I never imagined would happen. I think it proves that there is a definite interest in Shorthorn embryos around the world. I predict that the Far East countries like Viet Nam, and Mongolia could be the next big market that shows up. Both these countries have been buying thousands of doses of Red Angus semen in Canada in recent years. I recently had a Mongolian government official meet with me, and he is very interested in Shorthorn genetics some time in the future.
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2019, 09:01:09 PM »
Yea-Jits females have been around down here alot more than the bulls-Id read between the lines a little on the Jungles Cates deal-Cates just won Denver female show with 15 year old same (in this case Im saying it) old COW KILLER GENETICS and like some of the other big money breeders-they need some street cred birth wieght and otherwise the numbers are not gonna be in thier favor much longer (and shoudnt be-STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE THAT) RE CF Solution and a flotilla of other MISREPRESENTED BULLS-i like Envied -especially on something real wide made from the rear-dont think hed knick on the Jit stuff Ive seen-Its too bad he wasnt around when the ground pounders like the Double visions, Navajos, Steer makers, Stuffs, Windstars,Okie Dokies, Double Downs etc were around-Hed work GANGBUSTERS ON THEM-just like 4S Impact shaker and the Dividends Impact influenced cattle did-Dividends Impact was the strongest blood ive seen in a bull-EVERYTHING LOOKED JUST LIKE HIM-so does Envied-its back there-but the resemblance is unmistakeable so is the color of Impacts best known son 3 W Payoff-who color wise looked just like a fullblood maine and he was polled too-HOWED THAT HAPPEN LOL?O0

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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2019, 09:22:53 PM »
Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didnt crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all Im saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big commercial type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. Ive never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. Thats a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. Ive never been to either place. Never seen JITs cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didnt like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldnt be looked upon as an attack on somebody. Its reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Cant say he hasnt done his share of winning up there. Cant begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, its a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless its a personal beef I cant see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isnt very long compared to angus. Ive seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I dont know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just dont know of any.

I agree with you in regards to Cruiser's buyers deciding not to sell a half interest for what they paid for him. That was their decision and I had no part in it. I was not involved in Cruiser other than I had collected a few straws of semen when he was a year old. When the man that bought him died suddenly, his wife asked me if I would winter a set of replacement heifers for her. She offered me a half interest in Cruiser to do this. I accepted her offer and I am glad I did. I would love to use some bulls that you have mentioned here, but very few Americans collect Canadian qualified semen.
I have not pursued the US market for several years, and Touchdown is the last bull I had at Cattle Visions. I still get quarterly checks from them for sales. I prefer to sell semen myself, only because it gives me a connection with the people who are using my bulls. I have semen stored at Hawkeye Breeders and I have my bulls listed on our website and I still seem to sell a nice quantity each year. I also have semen from 8-10 bulls in Australia, and I sell far more semen there than I ever thought of selling in the US. Like I said earlier, my customers are basically commercial producers, but I have a few sales each year to purebred breeders. My top bull in 2015 was $32,000 and another at $14,000. Cruiser was the top bull in 2016 at $16,500. Last year, my top bull was $11,000. Last year I had commercial buyers pay $9000, $8000 and two at $7000 and these are prices I can certainly live off.  When I started my ET program, it didn't make much sense to me, to do the same thing as everyone else was doing. I have used some American breeding but I don't chase it. I don't particularly try to produce show cattle which is what most everyone else seems to try to do. The UK and Australia are my biggest embryo markets with several hundred embryos sold to the UK each year. Australia has been close but the wicked drought has slowed that market down some. I still am selling embryos down there though. I am doing things differently than lots of others do. The fact that since I started in this ET deal, as a way to get to genetics to the US when BSE hit Canada, I have sold over 2400 embryos to 14 countries is something I never imagined would happen. I think it proves that there is a definite interest in Shorthorn embryos around the world. I predict that the Far East countries like Viet Nam, and Mongolia could be the next big market that shows up. Both these countries have been buying thousands of doses of Red Angus semen in Canada in recent years. I recently had a Mongolian government official meet with me, and he is very interested in Shorthorn genetics some time in the future.

Highest selling bull I know of from Canada was Thermal Energy. What happened to your 32k bull? I honestly dont remember the Bull you speak of. Americans pay good money for bulls. The UK prefers bigger cattle. Australia seems to as well but not to the extreme of the uk. Americans want 6 frame at most, thick, easy calving cattle.  Thats why Mark always wants to see them from behind.
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2019, 09:26:58 PM »
Yea-Jits females have been around down here alot more than the bulls-Id read between the lines a little on the Jungles Cates deal-Cates just won Denver female show with 15 year old same (in this case Im saying it) old COW KILLER GENETICS and like some of the other big money breeders-they need some street cred birth wieght and otherwise the numbers are not gonna be in thier favor much longer (and shoudnt be-STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE THAT) RE CF Solution and a flotilla of other MISREPRESENTED BULLS-i like Envied -especially on something real wide made from the rear-dont think hed knick on the Jit stuff Ive seen-Its too bad he wasnt around when the ground pounders like the Double visions, Navajos, Steer makers, Stuffs, Windstars,Okie Dokies, Double Downs etc were around-Hed work GANGBUSTERS ON THEM-just like 4S Impact shaker and the Dividends Impact influenced cattle did-Dividends Impact was the strongest blood ive seen in a bull-EVERYTHING LOOKED JUST LIKE HIM-so does Envied-its back there-but the resemblance is unmistakeable so is the color of Impacts best known son 3 W Payoff-who color wise looked just like a fullblood maine and he was polled too-HOWED THAT HAPPEN LOL?O0

The JSF/ CF bull deal is what it is. The bulls in the sale are straight CF breeding. You cant sell a bull very well in Modoc. But in the Dakotas you can. Cant be much difference in environment from JIT to JSF. Yet the cattle sure are different in type.

The Envied bull has made some nice calves from what Ive seen and hes available to the mere mortals. The Sneed cows have made some good offspring.
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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2019, 09:43:14 PM »
Highest selling bull I know of from Canada was Thermal Energy. What happened to your 32k bull? I honestly dont remember the Bull you speak of. Americans pay good money for bulls. The UK prefers bigger cattle. Australia seems to as well but not to the extreme of the uk. Americans want 6 frame at most, thick, easy calving cattle.  Thats why Mark always wants to see them from behind.
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Our bull at $32,000 was HC Bluebook 22B. He sold to a show outfit in Ontario. The runner up was a well known purebred herd in Canada, and there was at least 1 commercial man who I saw bid to over $18,000 on him. When I spoke with him after the sale, he said he has just sold 700 calves and averaged almost $1600 on them( the highest cattle market we have seen here in history), so I think he had some coin in his pocket that day. He did buy 4 bulls that day with a high of $9850 and the other 3 in the $4000- 5500 range. This guy is another repeat customer and he has bought bulls the last 3 sales for his herd of 800 black cows in Manitoba. I have attached a picture of Bluebook taken at 13 months of age. I have semen from him in Canada, USA and Australia. Unlike lots of American bulls that sell for good money and have syndicates formed to do so, The buyer of Bluebook was one breeder and an AI unit in Ireland. In order for semen to go to any EU country, they must be IBR negative, which means they cannot be vaccinated with IBR vaccine. I had not vaccinated Bluebook as I was trying to get another bull that would qualify for Europe. When this happened, I agreed to forgo their share of the purchase price and I took back ownership of the semen rights in him. It worked out OK for me, as I have sold just over $20,000 of semen in Canada, and close to $8000 in Australia as well as about $3000 in the US.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2019, 09:46:01 PM »
Oh I remember him. Didnt the shorthorn place with the Clydesdales buy him?
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2019, 10:09:07 PM »
Oh I remember him. Didnt the shorthorn place with the Clydesdales buy him?

Yup... that is correct. After Bluebook's show career was over, the owner said to me that he was only worth market price to him then. I told him I would give him market price, and of course he then said he would not do this. After a few months of negotiating, I was able to do a deal to bring him back here. 
As a sideline to the Bluebook story, when he was shown at the Royal Winter Fair in Toronto as a two year old, we were approached  by two dark skinned men who asked if they could see Bluebook out of the stall. I took him up and down the isle a few times while they looked at him. They then asked if he would be for sale? it turns out that they were buying agents for a Shiek in Quator, and they said that they had been buying Charolais and some Shorthorns in England. Quator is the wealthiest country on earth. The guy who owned Bluebook said that most anything was for sale but he would need $50,000 in US cash in order to sell him. They did not even blink at the price and said they would agree to this and would be back in 1 week with the money. One day later, there was a Muslim attack in Paris where a lot of people were killed. I talked with the guy in Ontario and we both agreed that there are times when money is not the only thing of importance. He emailed the Arabs and said that the bull was no longer for sale. I did some checking when I got home ( and I still have their business cards) and they were indeed who they said they were. I found the name of the Shiek in Quator, and read that he has a dairy herd of 1800 milking cows and that he was also starting to raise beef cattle that had been purchased in England. They were distilling water from the ocean and irrigating the desert to produce forage for the cattle herds. The story also said that he had purchased several Thoroughbred horses in sales in Kentucky at some very high dollars. ( Some in the $1 million range).  Bluebook is  here now and is doing a very good job for us. I ma not sure what would have happened if they hadn't attacked Paris that day. There is a good chance Bluebook would have boarded a private 747 and now be living on a sand pile.
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2019, 08:00:18 AM »
The shiek in quator!? Qatar I assume you mean? Or is this Quatar a Fantasia type place of yours!?  but boy the **** is getting deep in here!  The stories just keep getting more and more convoluted.  If it werent for the unsuspectings hard earned money on the line Id just fn laugh at the outrageousness. 

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2019, 08:17:03 AM »
Sorry for the spelling mistake xbar. I am so used to using a " u" after a " q" that I did not even notice that I had done that. I thought it was a interesting story to mention. Nothing more than that. I also know that these two Arabs came very close to purchasing one of the Charolais champions at the Royal that year as well. The deal fell apart after the terror attacks in France as well. I heard this from the General Manager of the Canadian Charolais Assocation. I only mentioned this story as I thought it may interest some. Obviously, not you. I am fine with that.  To me, it just shows that the entire world is becoming a market place for beef genetics.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2019, 08:30:16 AM »
Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didnt crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all Im saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big commercial type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. Ive never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. Thats a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. Ive never been to either place. Never seen JITs cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didnt like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldnt be looked upon as an attack on somebody. Its reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Cant say he hasnt done his share of winning up there. Cant begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, its a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless its a personal beef I cant see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isnt very long compared to angus. Ive seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I dont know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just dont know of any.

There is no easy quick fix way to develop a market for Shorthorn bulls. Over 30 years ago, I made a long term goal of mine to develop a market for my bulls. I made this a goal as I watched several of my friends in other breeds sell their bulls to make their payments. I was always selling my females to do the same thing. It took years and years to start to sell Shorthorn bulls here, in quantity. It still requires a pile of work each year, but it is getting easier than it used to be.
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2019, 07:22:23 PM »
Oh I remember him. Didnt the shorthorn place with the Clydesdales buy him?

Yup... that is correct. After Bluebook's show career was over, the owner said to me that he was only worth market price to him then. I told him I would give him market price, and of course he then said he would not do this. After a few months of negotiating, I was able to do a deal to bring him back here. 
As a sideline to the Bluebook story, when he was shown at the Royal Winter Fair in Toronto as a two year old, we were approached  by two dark skinned men who asked if they could see Bluebook out of the stall. I took him up and down the isle a few times while they looked at him. They then asked if he would be for sale? it turns out that they were buying agents for a Shiek in Quator, and they said that they had been buying Charolais and some Shorthorns in England. Quator is the wealthiest country on earth. The guy who owned Bluebook said that most anything was for sale but he would need $50,000 in US cash in order to sell him. They did not even blink at the price and said they would agree to this and would be back in 1 week with the money. One day later, there was a Muslim attack in Paris where a lot of people were killed. I talked with the guy in Ontario and we both agreed that there are times when money is not the only thing of importance. He emailed the Arabs and said that the bull was no longer for sale. I did some checking when I got home ( and I still have their business cards) and they were indeed who they said they were. I found the name of the Shiek in Quator, and read that he has a dairy herd of 1800 milking cows and that he was also starting to raise beef cattle that had been purchased in England. They were distilling water from the ocean and irrigating the desert to produce forage for the cattle herds. The story also said that he had purchased several Thoroughbred horses in sales in Kentucky at some very high dollars. ( Some in the $1 million range).  Bluebook is  here now and is doing a very good job for us. I ma not sure what would have happened if they hadn't attacked Paris that day. There is a good chance Bluebook would have boarded a private 747 and now be living on a sand pile.

Send me their phone number. Ive got some shorthorns to sell them.
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