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Title: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 14, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
Hadnít seen this before

https://youtu.be/3B2_CW6i-y8 (https://youtu.be/3B2_CW6i-y8)

Wish he would have talked about

more about 6807
more about 1019
more about Emblazon
more about Blackbird
occ legend
Frisians, red and white and black and white
Americaís
Quirkís
Ildeno and others
V8
Dividend
Shorthorns to cal poly and back
Maines
Crosses of anything for show steers
Buying crop land and turning it into pasture
The cull pen
All the students that came through
What he measured and cut
cloning, and sending them to south america, and the south american market
lots to cover, but obviously format not suitable.
maybe a book or a movie:)
Etc
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: shortybreeder on June 15, 2020, 07:23:06 AM
Very cool video. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Gargan on June 15, 2020, 09:24:11 AM
It takes a ton of discipline to have a vision, take the initiative to follow it and stay on that path for so many years.  Hats off to OCC
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 15, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
Man you got that right-Thats ten lifetimes of breeding INOVATIONS- and it would seem that they were pretty low key about it all-He deserves alot more credit even tho people pay up and use the cattle The types he created in and around the political SH98987764t in the Angus deal were just outstanding and among MYRIAD other things changed the calving situation in the Maines by eons-Look what he did for Shorthorns-PLUS the useage thereof by many types of cattle people-And all the naysaying Sullivan worshiping yuppy cowboys can talk about is DS -Like it or not-His influence on the cattle industry is just enormous O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: -XBAR- on June 15, 2020, 05:48:18 PM
Master Breeder.  I like him, I like his approach, and I really like his cattle.  That's prolly my favorite American Rancher episode, too.  The principles are exceedingly simple, the difficulty lies in having the self control to implement them.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: shortybreeder on June 15, 2020, 06:06:08 PM
Master Breeder.  I like him, I like his approach, and I really like his cattle.  That's prolly my favorite American Rancher episode, too.  The principles are exceedingly simple, the difficulty lies in having the self control to implement them.
*gasp* but did you hear him say he had 1600lb cows?? And feeds alfalfa-grass hay?? Figured you'd have crucified him for those two comments.  (lol)
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: -XBAR- on June 15, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Master Breeder.  I like him, I like his approach, and I really like his cattle.  That's prolly my favorite American Rancher episode, too.  The principles are exceedingly simple, the difficulty lies in having the self control to implement them.
*gasp* but did you hear him say he had 1600lb cows?? And feeds alfalfa-grass hay?? Figured you'd have crucified him for those two comments.  (lol)

Fleshing ability, good udders, and low birthweights-- 3 most things Ohlde is known for.   Ironic enough, the 3 weaknesses of your preferred genetics.

I'm talked to Ohlde many times.  Our ideologies are maybe a degree apart whereas yours are nearly opposite end of the spectrum.  The extent of your familiarity is limited to this snippet-- get real..    The average angus cow there is a 4 frame very fat mid 1200lber.  Outside a seedstock operation these cows would be even smaller. 

Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: shortybreeder on June 15, 2020, 08:55:13 PM
Master Breeder.  I like him, I like his approach, and I really like his cattle.  That's prolly my favorite American Rancher episode, too.  The principles are exceedingly simple, the difficulty lies in having the self control to implement them.
*gasp* but did you hear him say he had 1600lb cows?? And feeds alfalfa-grass hay?? Figured you'd have crucified him for those two comments.  (lol)

Fleshing ability, good udders, and low birthweights-- 3 most things Ohlde is known for.   Ironic enough, the 3 weaknesses of your preferred genetics.

I'm talked to Ohlde many times.  Our ideologies are maybe a degree apart whereas yours are nearly opposite end of the spectrum.  The extent of your familiarity is limited to this snippet-- get real..    The average angus cow there is a 4 frame very fat mid 1200lber.  Outside a seedstock operation these cows would be even smaller.
There you go again using the outlier argument to spare your ego. If that was the outlier of his herd then why would he choose that as the example to mention? And with how linebred the operation is, I find it hard to believe their mature size ranges from 1200-1600.
I guess my 73.89lb average birthweight is too high now? How low would you like it to be?? The bottom was 66 and top was 87 this year when you remove the one outlier bred that I purchased who had an outlier from everything else in her pedigree.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 15, 2020, 09:27:09 PM
In the bull pens part of the video: a roan Shorthorn went walking up the hill behind some of the Angus- He must still have some Shorthorns that Glover didnt buy-although the clearly black hided direction of the program never got around to the importance of what he and JOHNNY HOOK did in facilitating the initial discoveries and later importations of the Irish cattle etc-And all
 40 or so of the other things mentioned by Knabe who was there when alot of the early activity were a  part of the CAL Poly program -Wonder if those younger students could feel that history was being made O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: shortybreeder on June 15, 2020, 09:50:08 PM
In the bull pens part of the video: a roan Shorthorn went walking up the hill behind some of the Angus- He must still have some Shorthorns that Glover didnt buy-although the clearly black hided direction of the program never got around to the importance of what he and JOHNNY HOOK did in facilitating the initial discoveries and later importations of the Irish cattle etc-And all
 40 or so of the other things mentioned by Knabe who was there when alot of the early activity were a  part of the CAL Poly program -Wonder if those younger students could feel that history was being made O0
Can someone explain what the Cal Poly program was all about?
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 16, 2020, 06:55:17 AM
They created he Cumberland cow family among other things O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 18, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
Search Cumberland on website for more info on relationship between ohlde and cal poly.

A professor at poly there I think went to kstate who was in shorthorn association prob met ohlde and when he went to poly to teach, ohlde facilitated some cattle to go there I think.

At the time I was in school, the univ had horned Herefords, angus and shorthorns. I think they just have angus now.

Anyway, when poly dumped the shorthorns, ohlde bought 5 females and from those, one of them  either was the dam or grand dam of jakes proud jazz or something like that.

Ohlde sent out 20+ steers every year at the annual poly show steer sale, the students got to fit hundreds of steers over the years.

Many of these steers were different combinations of chi (ildeno) on amerifax cows and other combinations.

People were trying to get high % chi bulls that were homo black

Color was around then, so that was cool.

Cab was getting started and making every breed look angus was in full swing.

Angus came out with the elephant ads then to destroy the exotics.

Very sad to see very few fullbloods of any breed any more.

From this, one of the students started western expo, canít remember exact name, but run by students.

Had quite a few interesting stories over the years, met lots of friends.

In addition to the judging team, colleges showed steers at large fairs and usually won overall.

Colleges donít show anymore. Sad.

Good time.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Medium Rare on June 18, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
I still have a couple canes of semen from a roan bull Ohlde raised out of one of the Cal Poly Cumberland cows he bought back. They had bred and flushed that cow to some interesting bulls. Ohlde then chose to make pairings that I'd consider to be much more complementary.


Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 18, 2020, 07:58:09 PM
I still have a couple canes of semen from a roan bull Ohlde raised out of one of the Cal Poly Cumberland cows he bought back. They had bred and flushed that cow to some interesting bulls. Ohlde then chose to make pairings that I'd consider to be much more complementary.'''' Proud Jazz came out of one too-One of the most prolific Shorthorn Doners late 80s early 80s was Miss D Cumberland Cal Poly sold her to either Cagwin or Mantua Farms  I thought Ohldes idea about Fleckvees were kinda cool-They are grass fed Oxon looking simms to me-But real thick-wierd leather on their jaws-Strange heads-Jake had a bull out of one of the jazzes and a Shorthorn Fleckvee cow on SEK or Cattle Visions at one time-always wondered what his calves were like
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Medium Rare on June 18, 2020, 09:29:14 PM
This bull was out of leader 21 and I believe a cow 2 or 3 generations before JPJ's mother, so I guess it'd be most of the good stuff and none of the cross breeding. Have had a few crossbred AI calves by him over the years that were just ok, but never a heifer. They did grow much better than any of the JPJ stuff I've had.

(http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/jake's-proud-leader-243h/?action=dlattach;attach=126991;image)
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: -XBAR- on June 19, 2020, 08:41:16 AM
I remember that bull- used to be on Fischers website. 
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 19, 2020, 09:45:46 AM
This bull was out of leader 21 and I believe a cow 2 or 3 generations before JPJ's mother, so I guess it'd be most of the good stuff and none of the cross breeding. Have had a few crossbred AI calves by him over the years that were just ok, but never a heifer. They did grow much better than any of the JPJ stuff I've had.//// Yea Fischer has him in Kansas they had another Jazz too-real goodlooking bull O0

([url]http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/jake's-proud-leader-243h/?action=dlattach;attach=126991;image[/url])
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 02:42:17 PM
anyone interested in a pic of the cal poly cumberland heifer?
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Gargan on June 20, 2020, 03:35:28 PM
anyone interested in a pic of the cal poly cumberland heifer?
<rock>
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:18:48 PM
anyone interested in a pic of the cal poly cumberland heifer?
<rock>


k. I carved a leather picture for the professor of the heifer. he was pretty proud of her.


i carved a picture of a non-angus steer that graded choice, yg1 for the feedlot project professor.  that was kinda cool.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:21:15 PM
i remember watching cows getting flushed, pulling the embryos out, seeing them under a microscope, on a petri dish in media. I can't remember if that was the procedure for freezing or what. i just remember seeing people work on embryos a few times back then. didn't really dawn on me how powerful that was.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
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Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:30:34 PM
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Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:33:28 PM
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Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:34:33 PM
not sure why they are sideways, on my camera library they are right side up.


maybe a moderator can rotate them.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
i think wendy galt took the picture.


i remember everyone was gaga over the heifer as well as the other dividend daughter and a deerpark improver 2 daughter.


shorthorns went downhill with regard to industry impact after this.


i took pictures of all the cattle for 3 years on breed feeder project, each purebred breeder had i think 5 head. i remember the shorthorns had ribeyes about the size of longhorn and longhorn had better marbling. hereford had 0.  i've tried to dig up all those photos but i can't find them.  there was about 200 photos of when they all came in, a day before they went to slaughter and all their ribeyes at harris slaughter house. super cool. it was then i saw holstein carcasses for the first time and their internal fat was "internal" and they were very well marbled. back then, it was possible to see almost all the breeds carcasses in a purebred form. never again.


from memory, hereford-horned and polled, salers, gelbvieh, angus (not horned), brangus, brahman, shorthorn, limousin, (can't remember on maine's) longhorn, pinzgauer, simmental. a few others i can't remember. too bad that will never happen again.  other than the brangus, they were all purebreds. there was probably some crossbreds in there, but i don't remember what they were.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
i liked the hart female. pretty spectacular for back then and now.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Medium Rare on June 20, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
Are there any pictures of POLY D Cumberland 725 floating around out there?  I found this picture of a daughter of hers.

(http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/blue-roan-question/?action=dlattach;attach=95434;image)
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Gargan on June 21, 2020, 10:27:59 AM
Thanks for sharing knabe. I bet those hfrs would have looked a lot different if fed like today's sale cattle are. Of course,  they were probably more fertile in the condition they were in than today's...
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 21, 2020, 11:22:48 AM
Around 1993 or so  there was a bull born at George Alschwedes and a couple years later a bull born i  Iowa sired by Debull and out of an AF Improver 45 Shorthorn  cow from mantua Farms-who also at one time owned Miss D Cumberland -These two would be Double Stuff a Shorthorn -and Heatseeker-a Shorthorn plus-I dont think any other animals in history ever affected more sectors of the cattle industry and over more breeds and types or ever will. O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: E6 Durhams on June 21, 2020, 12:04:37 PM
I use to breed cows for folks. One farm in particular had a bunch of heat seeker cows. They were insane. I donít get nervous around cattle but those things were like Satan himself. The farmer would leave the cow or cows that needed bred in a pen and I had to do the rest. I didnít get paid enough for that circus.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 21, 2020, 01:33:24 PM
I had one that was as quiet as any she was red and out of a Midas cow -All the Doublestuffs Ive had or been around were very good natured -Maybe the nuts had some more Chi in them or something from thier dams The most dangerous cow I ever had was Granada Destiny sired by leader 18th-the mother of the whole Destiny deal She was big, mean, and lightning fast O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: aj on June 22, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
I just wish that some Shorthorn cows got flushed to 6807. To me that would be the best thing that could happen to the breed. It would bring in a new line of genetics that may be useable to the breed through the appendix set up.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 22, 2020, 12:29:47 PM
1: Her sire only sired 4 calves or something-her dam had 6 maybe-SHE MAY HAVE HAD 1 "CALF"IN fall ? 1985  IF THAT WAS HER FIRST AND SUPPOSEDLY SIRED BY SRS INSTANT REPLAY RATHER THAN A CATES BULL-It was the bull calf that was then supposedly on a mature maine looking cow at the Hoyts Shorthorn Central sale or something who went on to sire about 1700 registered shorthorns alone -He was also an all time cow killer-He was HS INSTANT ENTICER-Was he her   calf? NOTTTT
2: Aldens Dividend heifer-and what a coincidence-thats the best female from that era Ive ever seen-I want to get in a time machine-go back and flush her to Cunia
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: kiblercattle on June 22, 2020, 11:31:06 PM
My dad had lot 6 in that sale she was a daughter of the good bull excitement that came from joebntn on here. He said that the heifer damar farms had was pretty great but couldnít remember where she went to.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 26, 2020, 09:28:52 AM
Damar had some real good cattle for the day I think they may have gotten into Red Angus or some other breed O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: Duncraggan on June 26, 2020, 02:31:08 PM
Around 1993 or so  there was a bull born at George Alschwedes and a couple years later a bull born i  Iowa sired by Debull and out of an AF Improver 45 Shorthorn  cow from mantua Farms-who also at one time owned Miss D Cumberland -These two would be Double Stuff a Shorthorn -and Heatseeker-a Shorthorn plus-I dont think any other animals in history ever affected more sectors of the cattle industry and over more breeds and types or ever will. O0
Look at the shoulders on that roan Shorthorn bull!
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on June 26, 2020, 04:45:08 PM
MISS D CUMBERLAND 410 had 109 offspring
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: -XBAR- on July 01, 2020, 04:47:09 PM
Around 1993 or so  there was a bull born at George Alschwedes and a couple years later a bull born i  Iowa sired by Debull and out of an AF Improver 45 Shorthorn  cow from mantua Farms-who also at one time owned Miss D Cumberland -These two would be Double Stuff a Shorthorn -and Heatseeker-a Shorthorn plus-I dont think any other animals in history ever affected more sectors of the cattle industry and over more breeds and types or ever will. O0
Look at the shoulders on that roan Shorthorn bull!

Doesn't get much worse than that
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on July 01, 2020, 08:40:06 PM
I think double stuff is triple stuff.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 01, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I have seen tons and tons of stuffs and have seen cattle at Abertees that went back to him 3 times like Rock N Roll Train HE Is very pretty fronted,so are his calves and full bro steer who won Louisville I saw him in person-Since this is a thread about Ohlde-MAY WANT TO ASK HIM WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF IRISH PRIDE LOL- AND PS I KNOW CATTLE YOU dont need to take my word for that-I dont really care one way or another Train is actually easier calving than professor  and outgrew alot of the Jungels ET AL 1050 pound yearlings-  I took the picture of Stuff and it was not a good one but I saw him in person-moving around I dont think theres any point in mentioning the effect he had on the cattle industry-there are Cates-Sullivan  lemmings-and there are Byland Jungels lemmings-I just cant choose for the life of me who have less real substance In reality stuff was not as course fronted as the spotted bull belonging to Captain Kangaroo down there in Zambesi land or whatever His bull is a combo of Enticer (MAINE) and CEDAR CUREVE COLLEEN (MR BIG SKY MAINE) and some of the Solution -KA BA leader etc blood from the looks of him Thats where his obvious color and course front come from the white hooves probably come from leader or leggs type breeding inherent to the KABA YATTA YATTA -I think its probably exactly what he needs down there-may end up the best calves RE actually changing them he will have had -Double vision is too thick for you but he was not course fronted. at all-and out of a red maine cow who was with him when i took pictures I have a picture when he was 3 weeks old-when he was about ten months old tied up at Denver etc  I dont have pics anymore of the 4 double stuff full sisters that Ahlschwede had-but they were not bad fronted at all It really isnt worth my time to dig everything up-The Lousy quick cell pic off my wall  is Abertees Awesome 2004 national Spring calf champ-K Kim Callahan was second to him, HD Bloodstone was third-he won because he was so correct and smooth fronted=he is a full bro to Abertees Obsession-dam to Rock n roll train-He was strictly used commercial-and sired a bunch of black and a few blues at a purebred Angus farm-Whos kids used to sneak over and feed him vanilla wafers-They had to have him-and he took the bad temper out of the EXT cattle etc in one shot-Not extreme or steery at all-good cows very feminine If you think hes course fronted-YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE AND DONT KNOW CATTLE-Hes typical of the many stuffs Ive seen-And if you want to comment about cattle that have made that kind of an impact LETS SEE YOURS-LIST THE PROGENY NUMBERS ETC -AND SHOW ME PICTURES -CONCRETE REASONS WHY YOU WOULD MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT: WITH NO BASIS OTHER THAN A RATHER BLUNDERED ATTEMPT TO SHOW OFF LOL O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 01, 2020, 10:35:08 PM
I think double stuff is triple stuff./// Yes-More the merrier-especially after all the handrubbing lemmings POO POO-Stuff, Proud Jazz, Jakes Pride etc and create a self satisfied self appointed breeders tower of superiority and find that the latest holy grail join the ranks of thousands of C sections, cant raise a calf, and the tower of poltical perfection is now a lonely den of iniquity With not so subtle untruths espoused to try and get out of some of the progeny MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO LOL O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on July 02, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
None of that will happen.

Things are about to change.
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 02, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
None of what will happen Is the end nigh??  I did hear that another beer belly camoflague group of morons have set another date for the end of the world-If its like the STOOOOOPID bunch who ended up in jail in Idaho or some other Taliban Bastion-But they just ended up in jail-while a few witnesses LTA#$$%%^&*(SESO O0
Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
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Title: Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
Post by: knabe on July 03, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
Another interview.

https://youtu.be/x6g5I01xhs8 (https://youtu.be/x6g5I01xhs8)


https://youtu.be/3B2_CW6i-y8 (https://youtu.be/3B2_CW6i-y8)


not sure if its 100% overlap, but criminy, your expectations in others exceeds that in yourself.