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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2008, 02:54:23 PM »
Good point GB...   There are things I just don't want my kids to see...      We also show  (dog) and you can't swing a dead cat w/out hitting a ......   well try to explain that to a 7 year old...   

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2008, 02:58:33 PM »
Good point GB...   There are things I just don't want my kids to see...      We also show  (dog) and you can't swing a dead cat w/out hitting a ......   well try to explain that to a 7 year old...   
Unfortunately, in this modern age, most 7 yr-olds understand those kinds of phrases better than I do.

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2008, 03:01:14 PM »
My kid: said in a very loud whisper "Mom are those two guys like brothers?  I don't want to hold Ethan's hand when I'm that old"   

Me:   Shh, we'll talk about it later in the car.....   

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2008, 03:22:03 PM »
My kid: said in a very loud whisper "Mom are those two guys like brothers?  I don't want to hold Ethan's hand when I'm that old"   

Me:   Shh, we'll talk about it later in the car.....   
Two points

One I also think that in any business there is always need for someone to promote competition. I feel the jocks serve that part of the business. Lets face it, we wouldn't strive to be any better if everyone was the same. I enjoy watching them and incoporate some of there techniques into our own grooming and fitting. Of course, I am talking the honest folks. All on the up and up.

See children do not know prejudice, usually have a good idea what is good or bad. It seems to me -we as adults we force our own opinions on them. I really working with kids for the very simple fact they are genuine.
I have never allowed drinking around the kids. When they are old enough, it is choice they can choose to make. I do not drink but once in a blue moon. Most shows they don't say anything to the folks drinking even when there are signs posted.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 04:54:33 PM »
There are 3 things kids shouldn't be involved with. Alcohol,drugs or registered cattle....I'm just kidding. Now I have to go prepare a field for my pioneer (roundup ready) triple stacked marajuana seed on my irrigated circle. I'm just kidding. :o
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2008, 07:18:58 PM »
MCF is 40 minutes down the road one way and KSU is 20 minutes down the road in the other. If I can't find a great steer and someone to fit it I have got serious problems.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2008, 09:06:18 PM »
I have an opinion, but, it may offend some of you guys on here,so, I'll try to tone it down some. I feel they are a necessary part of the Show-cattle biz, as they are usually smart business people/entrepreneurs despite their Youth. However, some of their "antics" infront of/with the kids can be less than desired.

 They tend to promote underage drinking, but,parents also have a right to raise their children as they see fit. I guess, my Southern, Christian up-bringing kinda makes me shocked when i go to a major Show/sale and see folks openly letting their kids drink, especially in the company of the Traders/Jocks. I've also noticed that they tend to give better "customer service" to the girls than they do to the boys. Y'all know what I'm talking about.

I developed a drinking problem in College, so, I hate to see a young person going down the same rough road.

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I know your going to find this hard to believe, but I agree with GB on this one.  I don't have a problem with drinking, but I think there is a time and place for everything.  Jr. shows and sales shouldn't be places I am afraid of what my kids are going to see. 

I agree with you but for other reasons. I am not concerned about my daughter seeing that kind of stuff. I try to do everything I can to give her a good upbringing. I was married to a woman who was brought up in a family where they were strict, Quakers actually. They made such a big deal about how horrible it is to drink and how sinful it is. There were a few grandkids in that family that had real drinking issues. I try to tell my daughter that ther is a time and place for everything and that what you do influences others around you. I dont want to hide things from her is all I guess I am saying. Dont know if that makes any sense.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2008, 09:07:11 PM »
I've pretty much dealt with only one but he has always been good to me and my family. I think they add to the deal a lot. A guy told me the other day that unless you are capable of fitting a Champion calf get some help.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 09:15:45 PM »
MCF is 40 minutes down the road one way and KSU is 20 minutes down the road in the other. If I can't find a great steer and someone to fit it I have got serious problems.

No kidding, itk..seems that you're in Steer Country there.  I should have came to see your place last summer at the Key Conference..didn't know you were so close. 

About the Jocks.   I never have had one fit for me, but I have learned alot from them.  When I wanted to learn how to fit a few years back, my dad told me to tag along with a jock that we knew at a couple shows.  I sure did learn a lot.  I've also seen how crazy they get about fitting at a county fair.  I have seen quite a number of jocks twine up a steer that weighs 1050 and send it in the lightweight x bred class.  I guess the owners really wanted a shot at winning, but the $50 and the blue ribbon aren't enough incentive for me to do that at a CF.  Back to my involvement.  I think that I can fit pretty decently, but I don't kid myself..I'm no Kirk Stierwalt or anything like that, but I can run with most people around here.  I think that jocks can really help kids learn how to do things right, but then again, there are a few that ruin the reputation of all the good ones. 
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2008, 06:26:15 AM »
Gary bob, it just wouldn't be you without an opinion. Never fear putting it out there. We are all entitled to our opinons. what we need to remember is that by doing that we need to let others also be entitled to theirs!

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2008, 12:10:56 PM »
How do breeders feel when a trader buys one of your calves and it goes on to win some big shows, but the trader never says where it came from and a lot of the time the breeder never knows how the calves end up doing????  As a breeder part of the satisfaction of raising show cattle is feeling good when one of your calves wins....
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2008, 12:13:37 PM »
this is solved with repeat customers not repeating, or a renegotiation for future transactions with that individual.  it may be that it does everyone a service to keep things obscure if the satisfaction between parties is satisfactory, ie there is nothing like a "secret" repeat customer that now knows what appreciation is required to keep close to the tap.

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2008, 08:27:08 AM »
My children have only been showing for five years, so we are still relatively new to this, but I think in GA, traders have upped the quality of the show cattle.  Shortdawg, correct me if I'm wrong, but for really competitive calves, I don't know if there are enough raised here.  Not many of us have the option of running all over TX, OK and the midwest looking for calves, definitely adds to the cost of the calf.  Having someone bring a set here just gives us another option.  Even for club calves raised in the southeast, it helps to have a knowledgeable person put together a good set for a sale.  I love to watch the really good fitters work and see the calf after they are finished.  I think that good, honest competition makes everyone strive to be better.   We did get burned by a trader a few years go, but I blame myself.  This is just like anything else, BUYER BEWARE.  We learned a good lesson.     

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2008, 08:29:54 AM »
How do breeders feel when a trader buys one of your calves and it goes on to win some big shows, but the trader never says where it came from and a lot of the time the breeder never knows how the calves end up doing????  As a breeder part of the satisfaction of raising show cattle is feeling good when one of your calves wins....

Dusty, hate that! I'd probably never sell them a calf again. JMO

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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2008, 09:00:46 AM »
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Quote from: Dusty on March 10, 2008, 01:10:56 PM
How do breeders feel when a trader buys one of your calves and it goes on to win some big shows, but the trader never says where it came from and a lot of the time the breeder never knows how the calves end up doing?  As a breeder part of the satisfaction of raising show cattle is feeling good when one of your calves wins....


Dusty, hate that! I'd probably never sell them a calf again. JMO
 
Me too... 

This might be good for another topic..  What rights does the seller have?    We got reverse burned one year..  sold a nice calf to a local kid - our kids were either really little or not here yet.   Never heard from the kid again the rest of the year - we had made it very clear we would be more than happy to help with anything - feed recommendations, clipping, etc.   We were at the county show where the kid showed this steer.  I was SO EMBARRASSED.   He hadn't fed him, the calf was  hardly halter broke - It took two guys to get him to the ring.  The dad was there -  DH asked what happened..   The dad was so proud and said Oh we just wanted to make sure he could get into the premium sale.   So the next year they came back wanting another calf - Dh wouldn't even give him the time of day - he was so mad. 

 

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