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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2008, 09:03:55 AM »
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2008, 09:12:58 AM »
How do breeders feel when a trader buys one of your calves and it goes on to win some big shows, but the trader never says where it came from and a lot of the time the breeder never knows how the calves end up doing????  As a breeder part of the satisfaction of raising show cattle is feeling good when one of your calves wins....

i know somebody like that. he is a trader. he just flat out told my dad that he had NO business knowing where one of our calves went. and it's not like this guy has enough to advertise already.  ::)
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2008, 10:49:45 AM »
I've had this discussion with several breeders.  Whether they ever thought about putting a chin brand on their calves, tatoo etc..  The consensus response was that they sell a good share of the calves, virtually all the top end ones to the traders for really good money, and they don't want to do anything to piss the traders off.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2008, 11:07:35 AM »
We don't sell many steers but with heifers they will always have your herd prefix on the registration papers unless the trader changes them. Getting an identifiable brand works but it takes time to get the animal/breeder connection put together in peoples mind. Still it works for places like Express, V8 and others. Pannel and MCF are the two places that come to mind in the clubby deal that have identifiable brands on their cattle. However brands can also hurt you if the judge doesn't like the breeder you got the calf from.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2008, 11:10:51 AM »
I don't trade that many, but I don't mind letting the breeders know where they went or the buyers know where they came from. If they choose to bypass me next time, so be it, but it certainly means I have no further obligation to help the buyer with fitting and management, or to sell them another calf. Likewise with the seller, I don't have to buy anything else from them. It happens occasionally, but most breeders and feeders appreciate what I do for them enough not to do that.

If you treat everybody right, it's really not a problem - and the one's that'll cut you out for a dollar are prob'ly not long term customers or suppliers anyway.
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Re: Involvement of Jocks/Traders
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2008, 11:58:01 AM »
I hope people make money off of our calves.  I'm not offended by knowing someone doubled their money.  I don't like it when a trader tries to continually lowball us when we know they are getting 5+ what they act like they are wiling to pay us.  If they don't want to pay us that's their choice, but don't try to keep us in the dark out of paranoia of us finding out the truth.

The other side.  We used to deal with just one guy on a % basis.  We got tired of not making any money because he couldn't get the calves sold for much at all - calves that went on won in Texas.  So, we said we weren't going to do it any more.  We'd sell them to him, but that was it.  No more "partnering".  He comes in and expects us to sell our top end to him for literaly $100 over market.  He was horribly offended when we laughed him off.  And then was shocked when his clients started coming directly to us when they found out he didn't have the calves anymore.  We did what was right and told them they needed to stick with their original POC, but we wouldn't cut him out.  It cost us money, but we felt we had to stick to principle. 

People that are secure in their own abilities and business shouldn't be afraid to share information.  You can only keep people in the dark so long.  Likewise, breeders have to respect their duties when someone tries to go around a trader. 

 

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