is there potential reproductive issues with bulls like monopoly?

Help Support Steer Planet:

King Cattle Co.

Active member
Joined
Feb 5, 2012
Messages
29
using monopoly as an example. I do think that there are a lot of his calves are really good and he works with a lot of different types of cows.  there has been some issues with monopoly and his clones not producing for many years. I wanted some other opinions on whether this could have an affect on the reproduction of the progeny from some of these bulls?
 

King Cattle Co.

Active member
Joined
Feb 5, 2012
Messages
29
I am talking about bulls that will quit producing semen after a short time. and then they clone him 3,4 or more times and one after the next they quit producing and they are only like three years old
 
J

JTM

Guest
I don't know anything specific about what you are talking about but generally speaking club calves are not selected for fertility. So yes, there is potential reproductive issues with bulls like monopoly and many others.
 

OH Breeder

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 14, 2007
Messages
5,954
Location
Ada, Ohio
King Cattle Co. said:
using monopoly as an example. I do think that there are a lot of his calves are really good and he works with a lot of different types of cows.  there has been some issues with monopoly and his clones not producing for many years. I wanted some other opinions on whether this could have an affect on the reproduction of the progeny from some of these bulls?

I am not a genetics person but, when they collect the DNA it is the age of the animal. As the animal ages so do the DNA strands and shortens. So when you clone you are starting with old DNA. If it were me and i thought a sire was going to be great one, I would punch there ear when they were a year old not 6yrs old or older.
I would say that if an AI sire quit producing at 5 yrs old and is cloned it only seems to me that the clone's productivity would not be anywhere as long as the original. We never collected our bulls hard, but you also have to remember AI sires dont have a normal life like your herd or clean up bulls. They are pushed hard to produce semen and it surprises me after seeing how hard some are pushed they make it as long as they do.
AS JTM said, some club sires are not actually selected for maternal abilities and reproductive ability.
Just a thought. There are alot smarter folks than myself that know quiet a bit more about the clone deal they may reply.
 

jagerbeef

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 31, 2011
Messages
87
I have a monopoly bred heifer that I bought and she has no reproductive issues.  I think that it just took a little longer for people to use Monopoly because he is half angus.  I think that once people finally figured out that he was throwing some really good calves that everyone jumped in.  You can burn a bull out if you collect him to much at stud and that is why some bulls don't last very long.
As far as the cloning of bulls, if the price goes up on the original there needs to be a viable option for the smaller breeders who don't want to or can't afford to spend 50 to 100 on a straw of semen.
 

Warrior10

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 9, 2010
Messages
1,653
Location
Mason City, Ne
I do not think Monopoly should be in question here. Both his daughters and sons are some of the most sought after cattle in this business, even when it comes to reproductive matters.
 

hamburgman

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2010
Messages
569
These bulls get pushed pretty hard and their early years aren't conducive to long term viability.  It isn't so much that methods make them poor semen producers directly, but lameness and such because of being pushed too hard and having to stand for hours on display can make a bull want to lay down and they can "cook" their testicles.  To my knowledge Monopoly, clones and his sons have produced pretty well.  It is perfectly normal for an AI stud to go have an issue with semen, happens all the time in all breeds of cattle.  Sperm are very sensitive to anything out of the norm, a sub-clinical fever can cause all the sperm to have no tails.  I see no reason to worry about long term reproductive issues out of Monopoly.
 

King Cattle Co.

Active member
Joined
Feb 5, 2012
Messages
29
from what has been said I think it answers better what I was really wondering. we have a bull calf that we were thinking of keeping for our herd bull that we had some question. but from what has been said a bull used only clean up on 50 cows  "probably" would not be a problem, and sires at stud are pushed much harder at stud that sometimes some of them can kinda burn out.
 

Latest posts

Top