Jordan Acres

Looks like the best time of year is here when the sale catalogs start coming out.  I noticed a few cows I like pretty well in the JA sale- all sired by KKIM Gold Count 22P.  I was very impressed as to their consistency.  What can be said of this sire? How about the strengths/weaknesses of his genetics? I'm honestly not too familiar with the pedigrees of the 22p daughters in the sale.  All 4 look great to me. Long level hip, tons of volume, just nice broady cows. 

k-kim gold count 22p was covering cows at Jordan's when I was there. He literally as a calf - just looked like the cataloged photo from K-kim's sale catalog! He kept his condition even as a young bull.  Early Shorthorn promo materials I thought included 22P's dam as a Model shorthorn female... GFS Countess 9302 . George Slater purchased the full ET brother and I did not see him in person. It would appear that Fantasy Lane purchased K-Kim Gold Count 22P later on from Jordan's.

The Grand sire of Gold Count 22P- Armstrong Gold was in Michigan forever and bred naturally till at least 9 yrs of age at Just a Few Farms. He sold to Just a few  when Dean Farms dispersed along with SR Red Riders Drive and DFS Red Rider 844. Armstrong Gold was really good footed and would probably still be breeding... it was a freak accident that took his life. His daughters were some of the best at Just a few farms.... Armstrong Gold was a 99 National Champion bull. The sire of 22P was also National Champion K-kim Gold 002 .

Jordan Acres is a fun sale to attend in person.

There are only 2 daughters of 22P selling the other two are 24P daughters ( the full brother that George Slater purchased).  George Slater introduced himself to me as the "oldest working shorthorn breeder" I am sure was in his 80's then and from what I was told  he maintained a awesome group of females in Illinois.

k-Kim Gold Count 22P is one of the most consistent sires used here in Canada in recent years. His calves are very uniform with thickness and are very smooth made. Gold Count is still working naturally in Ontario and his owner says they are still his best group of calves. Gold Count daughters have beautiful udders and milk well.

gold count calf and her gold spear dam, calf born feb 27 2013

I saw a really cool bull in Montana in last years Country:and I think he was a Gold Countx20-20 vision by a range cow from up that way. He looked good in the show  picture:where he was reserve (I think) to Talladega,  and Id like to see some calves . O0

  http://www.mbarshorthorns.net/apps/photos/photo?photoid=43928591  Yes. the dam of Gold Count is indeed a promo deal .! This is M Bar Shorthorns web page ( owner of GFS Countess 9302)

justintime said:

k-Kim Gold Count 22P is one of the most consistent sires used here in Canada in recent years. His calves are very uniform with thickness and are very smooth made. Gold Count is still working naturally in Ontario and his owner says they are still his best group of calves. Gold Count daughters have beautiful udders and milk well.

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You sound like a AI catalog. Have you used him?

Thank you all for the feed back and for pointing out the 22 and 24, Sue. I think the cows' similarity despite being out of different sires is a real testament to the prepotency of those genetics.  I think I prefer the two white cows though- odd as I don't own any whites.

That being said, somebody please tell me this isn't 22p?  This bull is shallow made and tubular. How in the world did he produce those barrel bodied cows??

I ran across a couple solid white heifers sired by 22p that JIT had. Maybe 3 and 5w?  They sure were nice.

That's him. Maybe the prepotency lies in the later maturing nature of these cattle. Something is producing the similar type.

Thought about going to the sale this year, and was wondering what past sale averages have been.

Here is a pic of another Gold Count daughter that Crawfdown Farms, Glencoe, Ontario are selling in the Great Shorthorn Revival sale in Michigan

So perhaps the consistent phenotype of the ones in the JA sale should be attributed to the cow side?

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So perhaps the consistent phenotype of the ones in the JA sale should be attributed to the cow side?

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Are the cows' pedigrees similar? And, furthermore, I don't think the Sire being considered here is shallow-bodied....Keep in mind, he was just a CALF, in that photo, not over ten months old.



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DCIL said:

Thought about going to the sale this year, and was wondering what past sale averages have been.

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The Revival Sale is just awesome. Steve and Julie French put on a fantastic event. I was there for the first time last year and it was the best consignment sale I can ever recall attending.

This is a Gold Count yearling. We used him a fair bit and flushed to him also. The females are wonderful producers and really breed on. Not always a bull for first calf females but he's excellent and homozygous polled also.

That yearling heifer looks good. She should make a good cow. I agree with xbar on the pic of the 22p bull leaves a lot to be desired for me. Yes GB is right. It is just a pic as a calf but he needs more length between his legs. And his front looks a little shallow compared to his rear. To much leg for me to. Any mature picture of him? No matter what that old pic says of him, he has obviously worked. Does he produce many throw aways?

We showed a yearling bull out of Gold Count last year and our Diamond Captain Mark Donor, he was reserve div at agribition and champion in Olds Alberta. They seem to be very easy keeping, stout made functional cattle. He is working in a commercial herd now. The white heifer calf on the cow is a full Sib to the bull, she was at moms side when they were reserve National Champion in 2008, and i believe she was high selling Heifer calf in the Agribition Sale that year.

trevorgreycattleco said:

That yearling heifer looks good. She should make a good cow. I agree with xbar on the pic of the 22p bull leaves a lot to be desired for me. Yes GB is right. It is just a pic as a calf but he needs more length between his legs. And his front looks a little shallow compared to his rear. To much leg for me to. Any mature picture of him? No matter what that old pic says of him, he has obviously worked. Does he produce many throw aways?

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She went on to make a wonderful cow for us. This picture is of her Grand Daughter by HD Swagger; we sold her in Louisville a couple of years ago. Gold Count was a major influence in our modest breeding program. Gold Count, Swagger and Gold Spear had more impact on our success, both in the pasture and the show/sale ring, than any other sire we sampled over a 12 year period.

Here's a pic of that Gold Count yearling as a young, lactating cow. Probably the best uddered and most productive individual we produced.

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trevorgreycattleco said:

That yearling heifer looks good. She should make a good cow. I agree with xbar on the pic of the 22p bull leaves a lot to be desired for me. Yes GB is right. It is just a pic as a calf but he needs more length between his legs. And his front looks a little shallow compared to his rear. To much leg for me to. Any mature picture of him? No matter what that old pic says of him, he has obviously worked. Does he produce many throw aways?

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She went on to make a wonderful cow for us. This picture is of her Grand Daughter by HD Swagger; we sold her in Louisville a couple of years ago. Gold Count was a major influence in our modest breeding program. Gold Count, Swagger and Gold Spear had more impact on our success, both in the pasture and the show/sale ring, than any other sire we sampled over a 12 year period.

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I prefer the GD. She's a great broody cow. More base width, much more body==> much more productive. To me, it's obvious which direction Swagger takes them- a less is more direction that I don't quite understand.