just bull pictures, nothing controversial

1st cut hay is all done and our website is in need of an update, so I took some pictures of the herd bulls that are out with the mature cows.
The 1st picture is actually from last year. He did not cooperate as well this year.
1st Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=475216&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21
2nd Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=475228&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21
3rd Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=476046&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21

Here are the other three that are out with mature cows.
1st Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=476044&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21
2nd Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=472544&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21
3rd Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=474418&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21

Excellent bulls. I think the third one down is my favorite. Out of curiosity, how come all but one are pretty much solid red. Is this intentional to get the cows more solid colors or the good ones just happen to be mostly red?

I'd take any of them. Thanks for sharing. Nothing controversial about good bulls. No surprises either. How many of these bulls have the Clyde 12j? (I may have his name wrong. ) I'm going of my foggy memory.

Here is a program that has stacked the same bull in generations such as RN Reed has done in his herd.  Kudos to both.

Are they out individually with a group of cows or are any of them running together? How many cows do you expect each one to cover?

Can you share your breeding? The last bull the roan I like alot. I also like 12 Y. I know this may sound strange but I like his head. That is how a bull should look. Bulls should have a masculine bully head.

I bet if we tried we can stir up some sort of controversy.  (argue)  ONLY KIDDING!

Great pics thanks for sharing.

Really like  12Y and 23W  (thumbsup)

OH Breeder said:

Can you share your breeding? The last bull the roan I like alot. I also like 12 Y. I know this may sound strange but I like his head. That is how a bull should look. Bulls should have a masculine bully head.

I bet if we tried we can stir up some sort of controversy.  (argue)  ONLY KIDDING!

Great pics thanks for sharing.

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OH Breeder I don't think your point about the Good Head is strange at all.
Good headed cattle is just one of the things I like about the Saskvalley program.
I don't believe a herd of alligator headed cattle could accomplish what these cattle
Do, with what they are provided to do it.

Thanks for posting some photos of nice beef bulls TGiB.

HR

Good bulls I really like 65x 12y and the roan bull. What are there pedigrees?

This year most of the bulls that we decided to use just happened to be red.  Our commercial bull customers seem to favor either roan or red, but not red with white marks so that is something that we do have to take into consideration.  The question was asked how many of them have Clyde 12J in their pedigree.  I will try to edit the original posts with links to the CLRC website. It did not work when I did the original post.  Saskvalley Ultra 12J was sired by Saskvalley Clyde 12E so I'm not sure which bull you were thinking of.  But most of these bulls will have Ultra 12J somewhere in their pedigree.
This year more grass was available to rent so we sent the commercial cows out onto rented grass and that left us with the ability to have more separate pastures of of purebred cows.  Thus we are not asking our bulls to cover as many females as we usually do.  We only have about 25 cows with each of these bulls.  Three of these bulls we own with other people that calve earlier than we do, so they have been out with more cows earlier in the breeding season.
I don't think that it sounds strange that you like or dislike a bulls head.  That is why when taking pictures I prefer that the bulls head is facing the camera.  I think the masculinity (or lack thereof) of bulls head is very important.  Cattle that have wider muzzles, shorter noses, and are wider between the eyes seem to have more ability to turn grass into beef.

So are you saying the roan bull has an ugly head and that's why you didn't take a picture of him facing you?
I think this thing is going controversial big time now.

The reason that I did not get a picture of the roan bull's head is because the breeder of the roan bull did not properly train him to stand correctly when getting his picture taken. 

maybe it is because the new owner lets too many flies on his back and he has a sore neck from trying to get them off. :-\

Your right.  I usually take along a fly swatter when I take pictures but I forgot this time.  My bad.

coyote said:

So are you saying the roan bull has an ugly head and that's why you didn't take a picture of him facing you?
I think this thing is going controversial big time now.

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Plus, do you see the way he posed him in the tall grass???  Probably, structural issues with his wheels.   

You know you can't post a subject line like that and get away with it on here.  (thumbsup)


I like the masculinity of the bulls. 

From the photos I've scanned in the past, seems to me that you can see the ramrod influence in the 65x bull.  I like him a lot- looks very solid from front to back. 

Good bulls, all of them!

Like the rich, dark red colour.

Great looking bulls.

What would you say the frame score is on your 12Y bull?

Duncraggan said:

Good bulls, all of them!

Like the rich, dark red colour.

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I am not trying to side track the thread. But I too like the deep coloration in the bulls especially the red. Where does the "oranging" come from. You will see shorthorns sometimes get real orangey. I know that doesn't sound all that intelligent but I thought there was a way old timers said to keep your reds reds had something to do with using white bulls?
That is a solid set of bulls.

Really nice bulls (as usual) TGIB!

turning grass into beef said:

1st cut hay is all done and our website is in need of an update, so I took some pictures of the herd bulls that are out with the mature cows.

2nd Picture: http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=475228&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21

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I have some other pictures of this bull that I took while he was still in Alberta.

OH Breeder said:

Duncraggan said:

Good bulls, all of them!

Like the rich, dark red colour.

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I am not trying to side track the thread. But I too like the deep coloration in the bulls especially the red. Where does the "oranging" come from. You will see shorthorns sometimes get real orangey. I know that doesn't sound all that intelligent but I thought there was a way old timers said to keep your reds reds had something to do with using white bulls?
That is a solid set of bulls.

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I have heard for most of my lifetime, that in order to get deep red colors and have them passed on to progeny, that there had to be a white bull used close up in the pedigree. I also have heard that the fastest way to correct color problems was to use a white bull. A white bull will correct the red and white spots markings. Today, I believe there are other factors that can create the light red coat color, especially in some appendix animals. I have noticed myself, that the darkest reds come from a sire that is a very even roan color, but I have nothing to base this on. For example, our herd sire Timeline seems to through very even colors. His reds are a deep red, his roans are a very even roan with few or no white markings and his white calves has so far all been white with red pigment in their ears and muzzles.

I also remember the old Scottish breeders saying that it was very hard to get a great breeding sire that was more than 4 generations from a white sire. I have no idea if there is anything to this or if it is another old wives tale.