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stumpy

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I thought that with the second coming of the bull bracket that an exibition judging contest would make for good old SP fun as well. Rules are simple, place these purebred Shorthorn females, and if you want to give an explanation great but we don't need a full set of reasons. Just a simple placeing will be good as well (4-3-2-1, 1-2-3-4, or whatever you think it should be). In a week or so I will be happy to share the pedigree's and info on them but for now just talk them out. The official placing will be undetermined and can be argued and discussed or cussed (please keep it clean) as we go. Well folks lets have a good time, and let the games begin!
 

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shortyjock89

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2-4-3-1

I had a really hard time with the top pair, I think both of those heifers give you a good look in a maternal package, it's really just a personal preference of muscle shape and possibly even color for the show ring on that one.  The 3 heifer is just more like the first two than the 1 heifer, doesn't have quite the depth that the first two do in her flank, and probably doesn't balance quite as nice up through her front end. The 1 heifer is nice and has just as much eye appeal as any of them, but just doesn't have the overall depth of body.  Sorry for all the reasons, I might have gotten carried away!
 

shortyjock89

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I forgot to add that I really like ALL of the heifers, and I'll hafta get up to Duis' to look at them soon, and definitely will be coming back to the sale! (although probably not to wash calves with you all day Stumpy) haha.
 

stumpy

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No doubt that the "wash rack  nazi" will make a return to IL. Atleast cool refreshment was provided on the rack!
 

Hofstatter Farms

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i am totally going to have to disagree with JO on this one. From the pictures i would say you have to fall in love with the 1 heifer. she by far has the most length of body and extension up through her front end and carries alot of angularity with what looks like a strong top. also the picture is taken from farther away i feel that she is going to be deeper than the other three in the end. from there the middle pair most definitely gets tough but i would take 4 over 2 just for her extra eye appeal and what looks like in the pictures quite a bit more bone. to me the 3 heifer just doesn't have the overall eye appeal that the heifers about her do. also she looks a little coarser fronted and shorter bodied. 1-4-2-3
 

ShowmanQ

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2-3-4-1
I had to switch Justin's middle pair. For picture's sake, the 3 heifer just seems to have more overall "cow power" whereas the 4 heifer is still a flashy "showring" type of female. No doubt that all of 4 of these ladies are pretty good little rips, and each one will have their own success story in the ring, as well as on grass down the road.
 

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I am probably looking at these heifers a little differently that some other would, as I am looking at what I think they will become once their show career is over and they hit the real world.  I will say, that all four heifers are females of value, and each could be the best for a specific breeding purpose. I think everyone in this business would be better off if there was much more emphasis placed on structural issues in the show ring.

I am going to disagree with everyone so far, and place these heifers  1-3-2-4.

I think #1 has a beautiful amount of balance and style. She combines evidence of muscling yet looks like a female. Great stifle and lower quarter in her. I think she is just as deep as any female pictured. She is a little longer spined so she may give the illusion of being not as deep. She appears to have good volume and thickness. Of course some pictures from the rear would greatly help. I just think this female combines a bunch of good qualities and she could be used with a larger variety of sires to produce some outstanding progeny.

I am putting #3 second, simply because she is going to make one awesome cow. She is the best headed, and has the most volume I think she is probably the best of all the heifers in the transition from shoulder through her heart, and she also has good evidence of volume, and looks like she would be the easiest fleshing of these females. I almost put her 1st, however, she gives up some length and a touch of style, to #1. It is hard to tell from this picture, however, if I could change her, I would extend her spine just a little more, so that her tail hangs straighter to a 90 degree angle from where it attaches.No matter how much muscle a female has, I find that they will be very fertile if their tail hangs straight down If it doesn't there usually are infertility issues. This heifer is probably fine in this regard, however, the picture makes it a little hard to tell for sure. Both #1 and #3 have good shoulder angle and have the best forearm of the heifers. I have no doubt that both these heifers will be easier fleshing throughout their lives than the other two heifers.

I think #2 and #4 are the frailest of the four heifers. They are the tightest fronted and appear to be the poorest headed.  I put the #4  heifer last simply because I do not think she has a proper head to make a good female. I am a strong believer that you can tell more from looking at a female's head as to her breeding ability, than any other part of her body. We have a very successful sale manager here in Canada, that oftentimes asks for a picture of a females head and he will select for sales just from that picture. He is seldom very far off the money.
Both these females are the cleanest through their fronts, but in my opinion they are close to that magical line that seperates femininity from fraility. They are both the weakest jawed females in these four IMO, and that has a big bunch to do with fleshing ability.
#4 has good balance and is ultra clean made, but she lacks some breed character in my opinion, and I think she will need to be kept in the spare bedroom or near a corn crib if she is going to ever see 8 years of age.
I will also add that I reserve the right to change my mind. haha. Until the class is done, a judge can do that can't he????
 

LinZ

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2-1-3-4

The top pair are my favorite but I think as far as extra power while still having balance 2 pulls ahead of one, granted 1 is longer made a tick more eye appealing to look at right off the bat I think 2 just outpowers her.

I picked 1 over 3 simply because I personally like the way 1 is put together better than 3, 1 is longer bodied & seems to be put together just a bit smoother than 3. Although 3 does have more muscling and is deeper bodied.

In the final pair I chose 3 over 4. To me 3 is put together in a more complete smoother made package. Although 4 has hair and a look that catches your eye right off the bat the more I study her 4 just seems piecy to me. I do not like the way she is put together in her shoulder, nor do I care for the set of her rear legs. Though she has a good level underline and a cleaner, more attractive front 3 just seems to work better for me.

JMHO.

LinZ
 

Jill

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3-2-1-4
I'm not very good at judging Shorhorns so may not be correct, but that #3 heifer is my kind of heifer!
 

Dero

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3-4-2-1

I'm going to lead the class off with the heifer with the most capacity and power about her, she really has a soft fresh look to her. The red heifer in the 2 nd spot is most definately the show heifer of the 4  but I'd like to see more lenght out of her to move her any higher. The 3rd place heifer is a heifer with alot of style and flash to her but what concearns me about her is that it seems that as she matures will her structure hold true.  The heifer in 4th does not have the overall depth lenght and dimension of the other 3.

 

cowcrazy

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2,1,3,4   All very nice heifers.  Wouldn't mind having any of them!
 

DakotaCow

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1324 The redneck roan works her way to the top in a pair of contrasting types of potential brood cows. I like her for her legnth of spine, completeness and phenotype in terms of femininity and perceived depth. she is more refined through her brisket and turns a smoother transition into her shoulder while maintaining depth of forerib, she carries this advantage through her center rib and into a deeper flank. Yes i realize the 3 heifer appears to be more durable in her design being heavierboned and bolder sprung though she lacks the depth of flank and completeness of the lead heifer.

In an easy call of 3 over 2 the white flanked 3 is simply a broodier appearing, bolder sprung heifer with more outward shape to her rib, she compliments this while appearing looser spined. i realize the roan is deeper flanked and appears more correct off her rear skeleton.

2 advances over the all red heifer as a longer spined more capacious heifer that opens through the base of her rib and furthermore is leveler hipped, and has a more desireable angle to her shoulder. these attributes stand out especially in compared to 4 that is the piecy heifer in terms of design, she is course shouldered and looks like she will drop her pins on the move.
 

M Bar

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2-1-3-4.  Hard to judge them without appropriate stick people on a halter so we can judge it politically.
 

justintime

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It sure is a good thing that we all see these cattle a little differently. If this wasn't the case auction sales and shows would be pretty boring events.
 

ELBEE

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I'm with Justin time. 4 and 2 will be culled before they're 5. 1 is hands down the best heifer, but she'll never win a class.
 
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