Kenmar President 26A

Grousepark · Dec 17, 2011

I noticed this old shorthorn bull was recently mentioned. I like his EPD's. Do any of you have opinions about him and his offspring? Are his bulls masculine?

Okotoks · Dec 17, 2011

One of the best places to find out about how his current offspring are doing is Kaper Cattle Company. This bull was great in his day and looks to be leaving some pretty outstanding offspring 45 years later!
Here is a link to one of his current sons.

http://www.kapercattle.com/kaper%204508.htm

OH Breeder · Dec 17, 2011

http://www.rlshorthorns.com/kenmar_president_26a.htm
Another website they use old shorthorns sires and you can view off spring.

sue · Dec 17, 2011

I would try Dennis Hoffrogge as well. He has used several of the older late 60's bred bulls. There is also a fellow in the southeast that tried Kenmar President 26A....

President 26a is a son of Kinnaber Leader 9th- Kolhsteadt's in Missouri have a direct son of the 9th ( probably 15 -16 mos of age) . That bull looked interesting last spring?

Kastel's in Michigan flushed a Clipper King of USA to the 9th- those calves were born mid to late spring of 2011.

r.n.reed · Dec 17, 2011

Grousepark said:
I noticed this old shorthorn bull was recently mentioned. I like his EPD's. Do any of you have opinions about him and his offspring? Are his bulls masculine?

I only have 3 sons,Kaper 4508 and two spring 2011 calves. Based on these animals I would say its safe to say his bulls are masculine.I was impressed with his epd's as well.It is rare that a bull can be in the top 20% for REA and top 2 % for marbling after 45 yrs of ''improvement''Also important to me was that his dam was a powerful cow and all the old timers I have talked to have agreed that she would be in someones donor pen if she were around today.
Okotoks,check out x4181228,I think you will like the pedigree.This guy is a ''Brute''.

justintime · Dec 17, 2011

Is my memory correct in that Kenmar President 26A was nicknamed Maxi Brute? I know a guy who has over 1000 doses of Maxi Brute. I tried to buy some from him last year and he said he would not sell it. \He said he would allow me to use some in a few flushes but he wanted half the embryos produced. Obviously, I haven't flushed to him...... at least not yet!

r.n.reed · Dec 17, 2011

Based on what I have seen here and at Lovings, if Ted ever opens the floodgates Maxi Brute will be a dominant sire in the breed again.

justintime · Dec 17, 2011

r.n.reed said:
Based on what I have seen here and at Lovings, if Ted ever opens the floodgates Maxi Brute will be a dominant sire in the breed again.
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I could not agree more! I did my best to pry even a few doses out of him. I offered him some pretty good money for some Maxi Brute semen but he wouldn't budge. He said he would not sell it but would split embryos equally for the use of the semen. I believe he told me he had over 1400 doses. Ted comes up here several times a year. At least 3 times each year to buy his insulin ( which is less than 1/3 the price here as what he can buy it in Nebraska and it is in an identical bottle and made by the same manufacturer) He also makes at least one more trip each year to go fishing in Northern Saskatchewan. He stops in occasionally and each time he does, I try to get some 26A semen from him. He has a few other sires that I would purchase if he would sell it! I suggested he could probably get over $100,000 if he sold the President semen. He said he didn't care what it was worth. I'm not sure what will happen to it after he is gone, but it would be a tragedy if it was lost to the breed.

r.n.reed · Dec 18, 2011

Grousepark,I realized that there are no mature pictures of 4508 on my website.Time for an update!Here is a picture of 4508 as a 3 yr old taken early this fall shortly after I pulled him off the cows.I would call him masculine.

justintime · Dec 18, 2011

r.n.reed said:
Grousepark,I realized that there are no mature pictures of 4508 on my website.Time for an update!Here is a picture of 4508 as a 3 yr old taken early this fall shortly after I pulled him off the cows.I would call him masculine.

Your 4508 bull is very good! We need a bunch more bulls like him. His pedigree is an interesting blend of genetics. Old Canadian bloodlines along with some newer Canadian lines, Haumont , and some old Milking Shorthorn lines - Rorvig Bros, Illawara breeding through Ayatollah, Gerner Farms and Clydah dual purpose lines, Irish through Guiness and Ball Dee ( which goes back to many great Canadian Dual Purpose cattle).

Doc · Dec 18, 2011

r.n.reed said:
Grousepark,I realized that there are no mature pictures of 4508 on my website.Time for an update!Here is a picture of 4508 as a 3 yr old taken early this fall shortly after I pulled him off the cows.I would call him masculine.

Your bull looks good. He has some nice muscling, looks like has a big foot under him & got rid of the sheath that his sire shows.

r.n.reed · Dec 19, 2011

Thank you for your comments,Justintime I am disappointed in you

you missed the most important ingredient on 4508's dam side of the pedigree,the Meadowbrook influence.It comes in through several avenues but the foundation tail female of my Cindy line was Meadowbrook Cindy,a daughter of Great White Hope.Dr.Ted by the way says that the Hope was the only bull that came close to Presidents carcass quality and yield abilities.Although 4508's pedigree only consists of about 25 % of this dual breeding,I would say it is a pretty good testament to the beef production capabilities of some of those old dual herds.

Shady Lane · Dec 19, 2011

r.n reed,

I like the looks of your bull, you should post some more pictures of him an extended pedigree.

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Okotoks · Dec 19, 2011

r.n.reed said:
Thank you for your comments,Justintime I am disappointed in you you missed the most important ingredient on 4508's dam side of the pedigree,the Meadowbrook influence.It comes in through several avenues but the foundation tail female of my Cindy line was Meadowbrook Cindy,a daughter of Great White Hope.Dr.Ted by the way says that the Hope was the only bull that came close to Presidents carcass quality and yield abilities.Although 4508's pedigree only consists of about 25 % of this dual breeding,I would say it is a pretty good testament to the beef production capabilities of some of those old dual herds.

Good point R.N. Reid ,Great White Hope is in the pedigree of Diamond Captain Mark 27C's dam and also in the pedigree of another bull that left us some great daughters Glenford Reward 7Z. As well his sire Columbus and Columbus's paternal brother Clark are in a lot influential cattle but just far enough back a lot of us have forgotten their influence!These bloodlines seemed to work extremely well with a cross on the older polled lines we had in Canada in the 1970's.

Grousepark · Dec 19, 2011

r.n.reed said:
Thank you for your comments,Justintime I am disappointed in you you missed the most important ingredient on 4508's dam side of the pedigree,the Meadowbrook influence.It comes in through several avenues but the foundation tail female of my Cindy line was Meadowbrook Cindy,a daughter of Great White Hope.Dr.Ted by the way says that the Hope was the only bull that came close to Presidents carcass quality and yield abilities.Although 4508's pedigree only consists of about 25 % of this dual breeding,I would say it is a pretty good testament to the beef production capabilities of some of those old dual herds.

Excellent photo. He is definately a masculine bull. He resembles 26A as does Dennis Hoffrogge's bull calf. I also appreciate knowing that 26A should complement the Haumont/Meadowbrook genetics. Thank you all for the comments and photo.

r.n.reed · Dec 19, 2011

Shady Lane said:
r.n reed,

I like the looks of your bull, you should post some more pictures of him an extended pedigree.

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Thanks Shady Lane,his # is 4143276 if you would like to look his pedigree up on the ASA website.Here are a couple more pictures of 4508

r.n.reed · Dec 19, 2011

Forgot one,

OH Breeder · Dec 19, 2011

Mr Reed- Those bulls are really nice. Look pretty moderate too.

r.n.reed · Dec 19, 2011

Ohio Breeder,I wish I had 3 different bulls like that but they are actually just different shots of Kaper 4508.He is moderate framed and thank you for your compliment.

jaimiediamond · Dec 19, 2011

Kaper 4508 has a lot going for him especially his calving ease. EPD's show he has gone from 8 in spring 2011 to 10.3 spring 2012 for calving ease and his birth weight numbers have went from -2.6 (spring 2011) to -3.3 (spring 2012).

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