Kinda politacal

Sorry I knew better. Wont happen again.

When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close. 

Does anyone know what "Separation of Church and State" means? Apparently not.

When religion was allowed in schools, black people were not. When American's "knew what was best for themselves", they owned other people.

Get a grip people.  Nostalgia for a time that didn't exist is a dangerous state of mind. Why do you want to regress? We should all be striving to move forward, not turn back to bigotry and small mindedness. It's appalling to me that so many good people just want to bury their heads in the sand.

Edit: What is the point of this petition? What exactly is it that the petitioner wants to accomplish? All I read was a bunch of contradictions.  First they wanted the government out of their lives, but then the government should be taking care of them. 

sorry

You realize what happens when people combine anti-gun control and somewhat extremist religious views? People like myself get a little nervous.  "You can't take my guns! Put Jesus back in schools, and GIVE ME MY GUNS. DOWN WITH THE COMMIES IN WASHINGTON!" Would you give somebody what they wanted if they touted the same views, but inserted Islam in the stead of Christianity?

I'm all for less Government involvement in people's personal lives, but this "petition" is not the way to go about it.  It doesn't shed a good light on their (your?) cause.  I would get a group of calm, well-spoken people of this mind together and contact local government and the businesses in question here and just talk to them.  See what you can do, as an individual or as a small group.  Be diplomatic, be polite, and be firm in your beliefs. If you truly believe in these things, making a difference should be your goal, not shouting about some hare-brained petition with no aim or real message.

I didn't mean to tear your original post down, but please try to look at this from another point of view.

Olson Family Shorthorns said:

You realize what happens when people combine anti-gun control and somewhat extremist religious views? People like myself get a little nervous.  "You can't take my guns! Put Jesus back in schools, and GIVE ME MY GUNS. DOWN WITH THE COMMIES IN WASHINGTON!" Would you give somebody what they wanted if they touted the same views, but inserted Islam in the stead of Christianity?

I'm all for less Government involvement in people's personal lives, but this "petition" is not the way to go about it.  It doesn't shed a good light on their (your?) cause.  I would get a group of calm, well-spoken people of this mind together and contact local government and the businesses in question here and just talk to them.  See what you can do, as an individual or as a small group.  Be diplomatic, be polite, and be firm in your beliefs. If you truly believe in these things, making a difference should be your goal, not shouting about some hare-brained petition with no aim or real message.

I didn't mean to tear your original post down, but please try to look at this from another point of view.

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What a fantastic perspective.

I have come into contact with so many people that have chosen this "extremist" approach to delivering their message, and have seen it typically fail.  The sad thing is that so often at the root of their message seems to be actual well thought out and solid logic.  

Petitioning is just a poor vehicle choice for the delivery of that message.

By the way frostback, why can't you vote?

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Every member on SP needs to throw some karma Olsons way. Great post!

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Every member on SP needs to throw some karma Olsons way. Great post!

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Agreed! Well put Olson

Olson Family Shorthorns said:

You realize what happens when people combine anti-gun control and somewhat extremist religious views? People like myself get a little nervous.

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works both ways.

So he who shouts the loudest should win? Seems silly to me. Or maybe I'm missing your point.  To be really honest, I just wish people would think a little before they get loud. Having views is wonderful, even if they're a little more "out there" than what most people agree with.  I'm probably a little bit "on the fence" compared to a lot of people. I'm old enough to not follow what my parents believe blindly, but not really old enough to have very sophisticated views on some things.  Am I just a wishy-washy youth? I'm certainly not an idealist, and I try not to be too much of a cynic at the age of 23. 

Merely stating that gun control and progressive religion has been shouting pretty loudly since the early 20th century and is getting louder every day.  The threshold to impose ones views on others is decreasing with each passing year.

People don't seem to remember the constitution was set up to protect us from the federal government, not protect us from ourselves. Today it is being used to protect the government from the people.

The idea is that if one didn't like the laws of one state, they could move to another.

People are in denial of the impact of democracy and the coming American spring and the emergence of the American brotherhood and the ability of the majority to vote themselves the fruits of others labor.

knabe said:

Merely stating that gun control and progressive religion has been shouting pretty loudly since the early 20th century and is getting louder every day.  The threshold to impose ones views on others is decreasing with each passing year.

People don't seem to remember the constitution was set up to protect us from the federal government, not protect us from ourselves. Today it is being used to protect the government from the people.

The idea is that if one didn't like the laws of one state, they could move to another.

People are in denial of the impact of democracy and the coming American spring and the emergence of the American brotherhood and the ability of the majority to vote themselves the fruits of others labor.

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Now this is worthy of some Karma.

Olson Family Shorthorns said:

Does anyone know what "Separation of Church and State" means? Apparently not.Yes says churches can't control government and government can't control churches or citizens right to practice what religion they want. Nothing about no 10 commandments in any government buildings and nothing about kids having Christmas pageants.

When religion was allowed in schools, black people were not. When American's "knew what was best for themselves", they owned other people. This is outlandish and insulting. You are connecting Christianity with slavery? Using this type of reasoning then get rid of all agriculture in this country since majority of slave owners were farmers right.

Get a grip people.  Nostalgia for a time that didn't exist is a dangerous state of mind. Why do you want to regress? We should all be striving to move forward, not turn back to bigotry and small mindedness. It's appalling to me that so many good people just want to bury their heads in the sand.

Edit: What is the point of this petition? What exactly is it that the petitioner wants to accomplish? All I read was a bunch of contradictions.  First they wanted the government out of their lives, but then the government should be taking care of them. 

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:

Does anyone know what "Separation of Church and State" means? Apparently not.

When religion was allowed in schools, black people were not. When American's "knew what was best for themselves", they owned other people.

Get a grip people.  Nostalgia for a time that didn't exist is a dangerous state of mind. Why do you want to regress? We should all be striving to move forward, not turn back to bigotry and small mindedness. It's appalling to me that so many good people just want to bury their heads in the sand.

Edit: What is the point of this petition? What exactly is it that the petitioner wants to accomplish? All I read was a bunch of contradictions.  First they wanted the government out of their lives, but then the government should be taking care of them.  

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Justin..................I am really busy and I don't have time for a history lesson. Second I never saw the original post, so PLEASE just say " I have no idea what I was thinking when I compared segregation to religion in schools." What is appalling to me is that so many good people, like you, have beliefs that are not based in fact.

You mentioned the "separation of church and state."  I think there is a real chance that it is YOU who doesn't know what the separation of church and state means. Before you form an opinion on what Thomas Jefferson meant by that, there are questions you should ask. First, when he coined that phrase, to whom was he writing and what was the letter about? Was that the whole phrase? Where is it found in the Constitution? You'll find that you are using the same rationale as you do with the Bible. You take a sentence here and there and form an opinion and view from it.

You mentioned what would someone think that touted the same views but inserted Islam instead of Christianity. The average Americans perspective of political correctness is so influenced by liberal propaganda that it is easy to superimpose today's liberal concepts back on to the era of the founding of the country. Perhaps you should study what the founders thought of Islam. Perhaps you should read the letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to George Washington when he was the Sec of State and Ambassador to France concerning the religion of the Barbary Pirates, that days version of Muslim terrorists. Perhaps if you knew that over 2/3 of George Washington's total Federal Budgets were used to fight Muslim terrorism and then after some research you would see what the founders ideas were toward religions.

And as far as the guns are concerned, I got enough to hold off a couple of battalions and no one is ever going to get them so I'll protect you. You don't need any. If you're old enough to not blindly follow your parents beliefs you are old enough to reason your own beliefs on based facts. Don't take my word for it, do some research, go read the writings of the people who founded the nation and see for yourself instead of through the eyes of some academic. You know what I think of you and I don't care what your beliefs are. Just that when they are stated as fact, that indeed they are.

LET THE PEOPLE VOTE.

frostback said:

Sorry I knew better. Wont happen again.

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Why?  Why let a couple of individuals that can't think for themselves and can only digest what a slanted media feeds them try to force you out of stating YOUR opinion?  America was founded on freedom of speech but the progressives like the ones posting here claim they want tolerance, but only tolerate you, if you agree with their opinion.  They are so inconsistent it isn't even funny, well funny in a very sad kind of way. 

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When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close. 

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Before we had czars.  But I'm sure you've had some great socialist doctrine instilled in you.
Yep, Dow Jones is up from money being pumped in it.  If it was so great, why do we need all the quantitative easing?  Hmm?  And why are we in trillions and trillions more in debt?  Hmmm?  And why does unemployment still really suck and why aren't they counting all of the people who stopped looking for jobs?

You keep living in that never never land, the rest in the real world aren't buying it.

This is what I mean. I have no problem with others's views. I was even constructive with my posts. I know frost back is a good and intelligent lady, but the "petition" she linked was seriously flawed and was more of a harm to her cause than a help.  I don't see much in the way of help from most liberals or conservatives, usually they just slap each other on the back with a bunch of "atta boy's" or spit in the opposing viewers' faces.

I'd also like to add that I'm not some crazy liberal wingnut, I just don't think PUBLIC schools is the place for a religious agenda. Science is not the enemy of Christianity, not am I.