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Title: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 14, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
What are some smaller or well less known shorthorn herds out there that are worth traveling to take a look at? I'm specifically looking for productive cows that aren't pampered, but still have a decent enough phenotype to produce County fair calves or "first time showman" calves.

I have nothing against the big name herds, but most of them are already on my list of places to visit this summer/fall, and I'm looking for more suggestions of where I might be able to find some quality cows for building my herd.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: cflem on June 14, 2019, 08:24:29 PM
What part of the country are you from?  There are some cattle out there that should fit what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 14, 2019, 10:11:27 PM
iowa and kansas have several-the cattle are reasonable and national quality pm me if you are interested  O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: aj on June 15, 2019, 07:52:26 AM
Don Holliman from Mcdonald Ks. I don't think they paper the Shorthorn cattle any more since Bolze got canned.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 15, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
I'm from MN, but I have enough airline miles to get me to any airport and I travel a fair bit for work. I'll be out around Richmond VA later this month, then Mississippi and NC later this summer. I plan to attend the Revival in Michigan, and down to Lauer's for their sale, PVF for their female sale, so anyone I can stop at on the way to those sales would be great as well.
I also plan to travel through Illinois and possibly Indiana for the several sales down there (Hahn, Leveldale, etc.) Mark I'll send you a PM quick for some suggestions as well.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 15, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
No problem glad to help-Thats a pretty diverse cross section-JMO-If you sre going to sell any type of show calves-they can be maternal but they have to be thick-and there are cattle like that in no nonsense commercial conditions-Straight performance cattle are very tough to show anywhere-but can do ok with a mix of thick butted breeding in there-So you go to herds that have spent alot of money in certain instances but arent in the advertising-promotional flow-If they were still around-Id say Backenhus ot Schombergs In Nebraska for examples of type-or where those cattle went-Ive got a few suggestions O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: Doc on June 15, 2019, 08:25:21 PM
Martindell Farms and Sharben in KY for sure !!
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: BlazinA on June 17, 2019, 10:23:20 AM
If you are ever in the Des Moines area we are about 25 minutes south.  We have built up our shorthorn herd over the past 25 years to about 50+ cows.  Our goal is to raise a few steers/heifers for the show ring and then feed out the rest for our locker beef market.   We have AI'd a lot to build up our quality but most recently used a lot of  Farrer's bull like Starburst, Near Perfect and Hear Me Now, & King Of Men.  We kept a couple of son's last year for in herd use only.    The majority of our herd bulls have come from the Strope's , O'Neil, NE.   Our current herd bull is a Red Reward son that came from Sullivans originally but we purchased from Stropes.  .  You can look at our web site www.amosherefordfarm.com (http://www.amosherefordfarm.com) to see pictures of winners/sires.  Herefords are our main herd.

We will be selling the majority of our 2019 heifer crop starting this fall .   We need to cut back on numbers.  AI heifers are out of Red Sensation and Kane Captain but the majority  sired by Sull Red Bounty. 

You are welcome to look anytime. 
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 17, 2019, 06:32:50 PM
Thanks everyone for all the suggestions, keep em coming! I'll have to sit down and try to map out all of these destinations and I'll for sure post an update once I've picked up my cows. I only have space for about 10 more cows, so ideally I'd like to pick up a couple here and there to get a diverse base of good cows with a bit of diversity.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: ska on June 18, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
i wish i could help. maybe try looking on Facebook? or asking if any of the OG's on steer planet if they know anyone.
best of luck

ska <beer>
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 19, 2019, 08:12:02 PM
Hey Blazin A-Heifers like the ones you sold at the Iowa Beef expo-Little shorthorn  plus or whatever are what some of the kids back here want-Ive sold some cattle for Brad Davis-so keep me posted-Right now I have a good friend whos looking for a good polled hereford bull (I keep telling him get the stoutest horned one you can find)-Maybe a hereford or Shorthorn hiefer to show They are very competitive-do a great job and have whooped up on some big time midwestern cattle-Pm me-Ill give u my email quick cell pics of calves on grass are fine O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: BlazinA on June 20, 2019, 08:40:37 AM
THANK You for compliment Mark. We keep working at it.   I am not sure how to private message on here but my email is cdamos@msn.com.  I hope to start taking pasture pictures now that the cow/calves are in a better pasture and the bull is out. 
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 20, 2019, 12:06:41 PM
Here are a couple cows I really like for an idea of the type I'm looking for. I'll also try to find the thread where I posted a pic of my best commercial cow because I can't find the pic on my phone right now.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 20, 2019, 12:13:41 PM
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/breeding-suggestions-58699/ (http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/breeding-suggestions-58699/)
Unfortunately I can't get the other cow's picture to save in a small enough format,  but here's the only commercial cow we have left. She's been so productive I couldn't let her go and I'm working on breeding up her progeny to purebred status.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 20, 2019, 12:48:45 PM
That roan is real nice-kinda looks like a hi $ Cates cow or at least may nave some of that breeding O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: (WRS) on June 20, 2019, 01:27:37 PM
If you are in the Indiana area you should get a hold of Chad Ennis and make a stop at Shady Maple Farms. They have a lot of really nice shorthorns and shorthorn pluses. They utilize a lot of out cross genetics and their cows have to meet commercial standards. Phenotypically their cattle seem to match what you are looking for.

A couple more places to visit would be Ed Meyer Shorthorns and Meyer Family Shorthorns (Alan Meyer). They both have great shorthorn herds that don't get as much publicity as they should. Both farms have a wide array of genetics as well.

There is something for everyone at these farms and if you got the time they are all worth the visit.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 20, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
That roan is real nice-kinda looks like a hi $ Cates cow or at least may nave some of that breeding O0
Thanks Mark! I actually got the opportunity to buy her in March and her bull calf by JDMC Standout looks like a real stud so far, we're probably going to retain him as our next herd sire since he'll be an outcross to everything else we have and likely everything else I plan to buy. Here is her reg #x4206998 she's a Deerhorn by Alta Cedar Samurai out of a Homedale Flash cow.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on June 20, 2019, 03:22:26 PM
If you are in the Indiana area you should get a hold of Chad Ennis and make a stop at Shady Maple Farms. They have a lot of really nice shorthorns and shorthorn pluses. They utilize a lot of out cross genetics and their cows have to meet commercial standards. Phenotypically their cattle seem to match what you are looking for.

A couple more places to visit would be Ed Meyer Shorthorns and Meyer Family Shorthorns (Alan Meyer). They both have great shorthorn herds that don't get as much publicity as they should. Both farms have a wide array of genetics as well.

There is something for everyone at these farms and if you got the time they are all worth the visit.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll certainly look into them
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 20, 2019, 05:02:25 PM
If you are in the Indiana area you should get a hold of Chad Ennis and make a stop at Shady Maple Farms. They have a lot of really nice shorthorns and shorthorn pluses. They utilize a lot of out cross genetics and their cows have to meet commercial standards. Phenotypically their cattle seem to match what you are looking for.

A couple more places to visit would be Ed Meyer Shorthorns and Meyer Family Shorthorns (Alan Meyer). They both have great shorthorn herds that don't get as much publicity as they should. Both farms have a wide array of genetics as well.

There is something for everyone at these farms and if you got the time they are all worth the visit.//// ED Meyer has some of the better Shorthorns I know of-And a great guy If you want show cattle a person can afford that will compete with the big names like cates and the Sullivan breeding-His cattle are as good as they get-They are a different phenotype and alot thicker than the maternal types tho.If you want to sell calves for kids to show-You really need to take that into consideration.Because there are ALOT of good cattle in Minnesota and iowa-Wisconsin-Dont know if he still has horns-but he  always has top notch cattle and some like: lucky Charm and Williams Nat Jr Show winner  had a major effect on the breed-Curt Lehman in Wisconsin If they dont look the part-you might be wasting time marketing for county or otherwise as far as steers.. DTR has a pretty good mix and those cattle live in VERY harsh conditions so they HAVE to be maternal to survive there.-They have won Divisions and Grand Champs  consistently at ALL the national deals and at state fairs-Both with Plusses and Purebreds-I think its Katrina Moe in Minnesota who has shown and won with a plus or two from them in Minnesota every year for the past 4 or 5 years.Dont forget Tenn and KY-The breeders down there have gone to major expense to get the most competitive genetics-the cattle ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THE MARKET DICTATES THERE O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on July 08, 2019, 06:27:26 PM
The Haumont herd has been brought up several times in the cow families post, and I'm curious if this is a herd that would be worth investigating for foundation females? I'd never heard of them before these discussions (at least not that I can recall) but then I saw their ad in the shorthorn country this month and noticed they're all Native cattle.
From my understanding, the Native shorthorns aren't really going to achieve what I'm after in regards to feedlot performance and competitiveness in the show ring, but I've never gone out of my way to look at a herd of Native shorthorns.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: beebe on July 09, 2019, 06:47:04 AM
This is there 100th year of raising Shorthorns, I think you will find their influence in a lot oof cattle around the country.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: beebe on July 12, 2019, 11:05:10 PM
Another herd that is not pampered is  Albaugh Ranch. They don't worry about show but are very practical cattle with very good udders and quality meat.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: Shorthorn-Fed on July 13, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
You should make a trip to the great white north. There are so many great herds who are relatively “unknown” other than “oh yeah I have seen that prefix”. But most go unrecognized because they aren’t in the show ring. I could name off herds from Alberta to Ontario worth a very strong look for cattle ( sorry BC and east coast I don’t know enough of you yet) and most have their own program that drives them.

Russ
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: shortybreeder on July 14, 2019, 02:26:44 PM
You should make a trip to the great white north. There are so many great herds who are relatively “unknown” other than “oh yeah I have seen that prefix”. But most go unrecognized because they aren’t in the show ring. I could name off herds from Alberta to Ontario worth a very strong look for cattle ( sorry BC and east coast I don’t know enough of you yet) and most have their own program that drives them.

Russ
I'm actually just starting to look into going up to Crooked Post in Alberta. I'm not sure where I'd fly into, but any recommendations around there? I have time for a 3 day weekend up there in July, or I can wait until September and tour for closer to a week if needed.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 14, 2019, 07:45:38 PM
This is there 100th year of raising Shorthorns, I think you will find their influence in a lot oof cattle around the country./// Deertrail used Haumont cattle too -this really should be in the other thred but-Bartels Brothers bought a very spry but old cow linebred to a Goliath x Haumont deal-I dont want to sound pompous the pair didnt bring much-she wasnt big at all-maybe due to malnutrician when she was young- DEERTRAIL WAS A NOTORIOUSLY HARD ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL YOU BIG TUFF SCAIRY TEXANS OUT THERE-Plus she had one horn that grew back and with all that was a great looking moderate cow from range conditions and maybe 13 at the time-But she had JMO -along with Bartels A BEAUTIFUL white bull calf sired by JR WALKER-who in his very short life of 1 calf crop and one more heifer-really hit it with females but not bulls-  Long story short BARTELS registered over 60 calves out of this calf -DTR WHITE LIGHTNING 4015110 -and if they collected him Im gonna use him too-thats a link to cattle some of which would be 60 years old now-AND AS HAROLD HOSKINS SAID-"THE MAINE DUAL THING WORKS "(REITORATE OR add that to the other thread FOR ALL THE FOLKS AT HOME- LOL) O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: beebe on July 21, 2019, 08:47:20 AM
Another herd you might consider is Dan Deckert in South Dakota.
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: -XBAR- on July 21, 2019, 10:14:55 AM
Here are a couple cows I really like for an idea of the type I'm looking for. I'll also try to find the thread where I posted a pic of my best commercial cow because I can't find the pic on my phone right now.

You’ll either have to believe me or spend a good bit of money of your own to figure it out but in order for that cow (or anybwith similar genetics) pictured to look as she appears it’s going to require a feed bucket around her neck daily.  You see that long anteater head? Well that’s all that’ll be left of her after being turned out in the pasture for a few weeks.

Lots of good suggestions on here -with the exception of the milking shorthorn outfits- “OP asks about raising some show calves and milking lines are recommended  :o “

If you’re in Texas, couple guys, both of whom are running 100+ head of registered SH’s.

 If you plan to lean more towards steers then Ahlschwede Shorthorns (AHL) is as good an option as I know of.  Thick attractive cattle that still have the ability to raise calves.  Talk about HARSH country.  Anywhere north of Texas is like a irrigated meadow compared to the environment these cattle produce under. 

For breeding stock/ show heifers: Blair Macbeath in Pittsburg, TX.  Real good dude I own a couple bulls with.  He has without question the highest dollar herd of cows who get ran like a commercial operation I know of.  At one point, he had more leader 13 daughters than anyone in the country. Lot of Improver/trump backcrossing.  I saw some calves out of his Trump son, whr Tyler, a couple weeks ago and they were very sharp.  Somebody that knows what they’re looking at could make a fortune buying calves from him and taking them to the Midwest.   I mean this guy has calves going to the sale barn that would be highlighting the majority of these show calf sales. 
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 21, 2019, 04:28:00 PM
You hit the nail on Mcbeth-hes had great cattle for a long time-He doesnt seem to advertise much-But he seems to keep adding pretty high end cattle. I think its a question of what the poster on this thread wants to produce-That seems pretty unclear given the directions and extended time periods the poster is talking about. Its like buying a few straws of semen at a bunch of different sales all over the country-then realizing hundreds in expenses trying to get it delivered.  I dont think anyone is going to sell any steers for kids to compete with out of native cattle or even straight performance cattle-Unless they excel in a carcass show and arent exhibited on the hoof.Its a shame but there were alot of great functional-show  cattle down there and in Oklahoma that had to work in tough conditions Many  have dissapeared in the last 15 years or are backing way down. -Due to untimely passings or just the age of the breeders. People like Taylors, Joe Ferris (hes Angus now-he was a hell of a breeder) Plumtree, Robinson,Stevens,Littlefield Jett Gardner Bucholtz and a slew of others I called one pioneer (of sorts) breeder in Northern Texas who has been consigning alot to Oklahoma sales a few months ago and he said-"Im 89 and I'm gettin out of this deal". O0
Title: Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
Post by: Jacob B on July 23, 2019, 07:07:20 AM
To me thats the coolest thing about shorthorn cattle, there are so many different breeders going in different directions and there are so many damn good cattle for what ever you are trying to do.  I wish the association would put more time into the good cattle that arent just show cattle...think we tried that for a minute and he/they got shoved out the door by the show cattle people.  I love the show cattle thing, but dang, the breed has so much going for it other than just show cattle!!! There are so many small unknowns out there with tremendous cattle that havent been discovered by the amsses yet.  Look at the ignorance of the new people to this site...like ska, ...that person just doesnt understand what there is out there.  wish the association would spend more time on the little people that make the breed.  I know they dont generate the dollars and its just not good busininess short term...but long term with the big picture in mind there are so many others thing the breed has to offer than just show cattel.  mark has a great idea of cattle that can do a liitle of both....that what we need