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Title: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: hmann01 on January 02, 2019, 09:08:32 PM
Looking for suggestions on LOW birthweight, Calving Ease Sires.

The heifer in question is a FIRST TIMER. She is a purebred Shorthorn. Her registration Number is   *x4269510  .

Her sires side goes back to Jakes Proud Jazz, AshValley breeding as well as a K-Kim bull and a Mona Lisa cow. Her dam side is all over the place with many coming from 4S, along with GKB and Lane's.

We are looking for something that will add depth, bone, hair, and rib shape. As those are something she lacks.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: CRS on January 03, 2019, 05:44:06 AM
If you can get a hold of it, Winegardner's Dual Threat bull would do all of that.  They make good steers and heifers.  He is an I-80 out of a WDM x ACE.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 03, 2019, 08:11:26 AM
Have you gone on SEK and looked at some of the suggested sires from the thread above? There are 5 or 6 proven choices on SEK alone And while you are at it-Look below to the Homeplace Hot Commoditythread below A Shorthorn will change a shorthorn in many more instances than a black one-trust years of experience in that piece of advice Heres a viceo again of Will Lanes Mr Colt that we used on heifers BIG TIME CE BULL-he won some major shows too and comes from very skilled and very honest people O0   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZzz6gHgR24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZzz6gHgR24) O0
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: doc-sun on January 03, 2019, 10:37:39 AM
ANGUS for 1st calf
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: cpubarn on January 03, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
As a 4H/FFA Dad I never had good luck with any of the so called calving ease shorthorns.  Much better success with an angus.  If I had a heifer today I would try this one... Admittedly I have used his sire, but not him.  I also like the 3ml sexed heifer semen....

https://cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=4239&bulltype=10
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: Lobatomy on January 04, 2019, 01:47:41 PM
I was thinking of the Red Angus breed to as a suggestion. Griswalds bull Detour worked well for us. He is flawless on CE and those cattle do well from day 1. Well about 40 days out from calving them as two yr olds and udder development looks good. We have a heatwave/ shorthorn heifer we purchased this fall that we will breed to him this spring.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: hmann01 on January 04, 2019, 02:00:08 PM
cpubarn do you have pictures of the calves from that sire?

Lobatomy I have considered Red Angus particularly CRSL Navaho but I have not able to find calves out of him or even between the breeds crossed. Do you by chance have any pictures?
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: firesweepranch on January 04, 2019, 07:35:45 PM
Why not try Simmental? You can register the calf as shorthorn and simm. Shell Shocked throws 50 pound calves here, VERY small for us!
https://cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=4099&bulltype=1

His conception is AMAZING! I have 98% conception on my semen on him.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: hmann01 on January 04, 2019, 08:01:13 PM
I have considered Simmental but I prefer the red blaze/chrome. I havent been able to find any. I have also considered Shell Shocked but I have bot been able to find pictures of calves from him, or even Simmy×Shorty calves.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: CRS on January 04, 2019, 11:24:55 PM
I’d get a hold of Gargan, he owns the Red Revolver bull. He may do exactly what you want. He’ll be honest with you and you can read several of the threads on here too. Semen is pretty available and inexpensive.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: Mark H on January 05, 2019, 06:29:45 PM
If you want red cattle with plenty of chrome anf a white face why not use a calving ease hereford like Churchill Sensation: http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=DETAIL&code=1HH00109 (http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=DETAIL&code=1HH00109)  he would improve this heifer and provide the needed calving ease.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: hmann01 on January 05, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Mark do you have pictures of calves? I have also considered him but have only been able to find 3 calves from him. The two pictured on that site and another from a breeder that owns a bull out of him.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: Mark H on January 05, 2019, 06:56:52 PM
I am not a Hereford guy so I didn't take any pictures.  I saw the calves when they were calving out a few hundred commercial black Angus heifers bred to his sire UPS Domino, a calving ease Ulrich bull, and Sensation (UPS Domino is his sire). Al the heifers calved easy with few problems.  The Sensation calves had the best confirmation.  The Ulrich sired calves made the best BWF cows or so I was told.
I would call Dale Venhuizen at Churchill cattle company and ask him what would work best on your heifer as he has plenty of bulls in his tank to choose from.
The Ulrichs specialize in calving ease bulls and may have some semen they can send to the U.S. if you call them and ask: http://www.ulrichherefords.com (http://www.ulrichherefords.com)
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 06, 2019, 08:29:59 AM
As a 4H/FFA Dad I never had good luck with any of the so called calving ease shorthorns.  Much better success with an angus.  If I had a heifer today I would try this one... Admittedly I have used his sire, but not him.  I also like the 3ml sexed heifer semen....

https://cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=4239&bulltype=10  Really which ones? and how was the hiefer bred? As a Dhorthorn breeder-Ive been around it 50 years or so have also been around Angus Maines and Simms--gotta know the cattle and people who bred them O0
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: aj on January 06, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
I'm with cpubarn. Just get a live calf on the ground. There are so many Shorthorn bulls out there that have a 100# bwt floating around in their pedigree somewhere. So many projects get ruined by a dead baby calf........and a screwed up heifer with no calf. A dead calf is a throw away calf.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: Mark H on January 06, 2019, 11:08:13 PM
AJ is right. Concentrate pn getting a live, functional calf for any heifer.  Thar said enough calving ease bulls are available in many breeds to allow you to choose a bull that fits you selection criteria, management capabilities and pocket book.  Just don't expect drastic improvement to the degree possible if calving wasn't the driving issue.
A couple things to keep in mind:
Just picking a bull by breed is not adequate.  Plenty of high birth weight Angus bulls exist that should never be bred to a heifer.
Also some breeds like the ed Angus have a mean birth weight EPD for bull of around -1.2 LB meaning for a bull to be easy calving he would have to be in the -4 or less range for Red Angus.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 07, 2019, 05:50:08 AM
Well put proven experiences and type are both very important O0
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: Lucky_P on January 07, 2019, 05:40:29 PM
We're principally a Simmental outfit, and there are plenty of calving ease bulls in the breed, but have bred some Shorthorn  over the past 10 years or so. 
Have used Waukaru Goldmine 2109 enough that I'd use him on a well-grown heifer of ANY breed without any concern. Calves come early (avg 271 days), slender, and easy.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: coyote on January 07, 2019, 07:22:54 PM
Here is a a real good Shorthorn calving ease, heifer bull, Muridale Buster 2nd 76P. We bred him to over 150 heifers over the years and he worked real well. You can get semen at Cattle Visions.
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: vc on January 08, 2019, 10:15:57 AM
I bred my 2nd calf heifer to Exar tyron (she lost her first calf out of another Angus calving ease bull (not) it was close to 100 pounds). The Tyron calf came easy, must have been all of 60 pounds, she was a tiny little thing but now at 9 months is pushing 800 pounds, balanced and very feminine. I would use him on again on heifers. 
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: Dale on January 14, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
Waukaru's bull, KL Prime Time Teddy is available from a stud or two.  He is proven calving ease, and we are using him on most first-calf heifers.  Teddy calves are eye-appealing enough that our local 4-H champion Shorthorn heifer in 2018 was a Teddy that beat a couple of other good heifers, one of which was by Hot Commodity.  Teddy is growthy enough and sires sufficient style to breed him to a top cow. 

We also used KL Double Duty 6294, and I do not recall pulling any calves out of him when we used him on all our first-calf heifers--one of our best is a 6294 daughter.  Loving Shorthorns likely still have some Double Duty semen.  Another proven bull we use on first-calf heifers is JSF Gauge from Select Sires.   
Title: Re: LOW Birth Weight Sire Suggestions for First Time Heifer
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
I mentioned in the thread about Hill Haven Firestorm that there are a few shorthorn breeders and sorry for one I forgot to mention: The North Dakota Guys. Ralph Larson Wally Close Promised Land Ward Backenhus and there are others-Anyhow-Dale is right there with Waukaru, Byland, Jungels et al-Take the time to look at the Homeplace Hot Commodity thread-maybe I see something others dont-or dont want to-Ive been involved with a number of National Champion or Class Winning Shorthorns he wont issue semen until hes been through the gamut on this bull- I took one look-Im telling the viewers -that this is a very good bull-phenotypically the best performance quote unquote-bull to sire CATTLE THAT WILL SHOW AND BE LEGITIMATE WORKING CATTLE-THAT I HAVE SEEN OUT OF HOT COMMODITY-DOC ON HERE HAS ANOTHER ONE-PAY ATTENTION UNLESS YOU ARE JUST WASTING TIME  O0