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Title: Maternal Bull
Post by: titan on December 15, 2011, 03:13:50 PM
I was wondering what bull would be good for this awesome cow.  i need one that will have to potential to produce a great maternal heifer. I was thinking about the new bull Mojito.  What is your guy's opinion?
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: outspoken on December 15, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
If I had an 'awesome' cow.. and wanted to produce a 'great' heifer- in one try...  I think I'd go with a proven bull.. not a baby calf.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: PCC2011 on December 15, 2011, 04:49:15 PM
wasn't able to make it to Denver last year but know the guys real well that got him ready for display and they said he was made right and a real nice bull.  They said they wouldn't be afraid to use him one bit.  but again if shes awesome id rather use something proven than taking a chance.  wait for calves to hit the ground and see what kind of cows he will work on.  there have been many display bulls over the years that look "awesome" and yet never produce a barn burner calf.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: kidsandkows on December 15, 2011, 05:01:13 PM
I have never used either bull and I am not sure what breed (s) you are looking at, but it seems like I have seen a lot of nice Sunseekers, Monopolys,and Who Made Whos in the clubby genetics. Another one I was kind of curious about and by the way I am interested in anyones input on all this like I said I dont have first hand knowledge this is more of an observation, but I also have seen a few Harcore that I like.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: GoWyo on December 15, 2011, 05:03:14 PM
I would stick with a proven purebred bull that is known for siring maternal attributes, especially if the cow is cross bred.  Too many crosses generally makes for unpredictable offspring.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: ewitte on December 15, 2011, 07:20:07 PM
what is your cow like
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: titan on December 15, 2011, 08:42:19 PM
she is a big stout maternal soggy cow.  she is a meyer 734
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: hntwhitetail on December 15, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
How about Paddy o'malley or Irish Whiskey?
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: WB ShowCattle on December 15, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
I have never used either bull and I am not sure what breed (s) you are looking at, but it seems like I have seen a lot of nice Sunseekers, Monopolys,and Who Made Whos in the clubby genetics. Another one I was kind of curious about and by the way I am interested in anyones input on all this like I said I dont have first hand knowledge this is more of an observation, but I also have seen a few Harcore that I like.
not to be rude but didnt he say maternal bull and i dont remember sunseeker, monopoly, or even wmw being maternal. hard core i think from what i know/ herd of him he  is maternal but i cant say for sure im unsure of his pedigree.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: OH Breeder on December 16, 2011, 12:26:36 AM
I was wondering what bull would be good for this awesome cow.  i need one that will have to potential to produce a great maternal heifer. I was thinking about the new bull Mojito.  What is your guy's opinion?

One look at GCC cattle and the sale they have every year, Irish Whiskey and Meyer is pretty much right on the money. Not knowing what esle is in your cow, I would only be concerned if there is a PH possibility. I have seen some great terminal Heat Wave x Meyer. Cunia is pretty reasonable still if you are thinking of a flush. I think there are a whole host of Black and Red Angus bulls that could fit the bill as well. Maybe you could post a picture of your cow. That is always helpful.
 I prefer shorty's so I would recommend something probably completely different.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: outspoken on December 16, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
I have never used either bull and I am not sure what breed (s) you are looking at, but it seems like I have seen a lot of nice Sunseekers, Monopolys,and Who Made Whos in the clubby genetics. Another one I was kind of curious about and by the way I am interested in anyones input on all this like I said I dont have first hand knowledge this is more of an observation, but I also have seen a few Harcore that I like.
not to be rude but didnt he say maternal bull and i dont remember sunseeker, monopoly, or even wmw being maternal. hard core i think from what i know/ herd of him he  is maternal but i cant say for sure im unsure of his pedigree.

Well, here's the deal...  The OP stated that they thought of using Mojito- obviously a crossbred, clubby type bull.  This poster- stated that they'd heard great things about three other, more proven clubby crossbred type bulls-- by using prior knowledge of Mojito- and assuming that the OP is talking clubby bred target point. 

Now, the thing to realize, for all reading-- is that club calf sires really aren't geared to be maternal- some might be more 'maternal' than others, but for the most part, they're whole reason behing being created is to produce a show calf- particularly a show steer. 

I don't see anything out of line with their comments.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: AAOK on December 16, 2011, 10:16:01 AM

Several high percentage Maine-Anjou bulls have traditionally worked very well on Meyer 734 daughters.  One which has performed extremely well for me is GF Kadabra, to producing both Show Heifers, and Breeding Bulls. 
 
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: WB on December 16, 2011, 01:48:12 PM
I have never used either bull and I am not sure what breed (s) you are looking at, but it seems like I have seen a lot of nice Sunseekers, Monopolys,and Who Made Whos in the clubby genetics. Another one I was kind of curious about and by the way I am interested in anyones input on all this like I said I dont have first hand knowledge this is more of an observation, but I also have seen a few Harcore that I like.
not to be rude but didnt he say maternal bull and i dont remember sunseeker, monopoly, or even wmw being maternal. hard core i think from what i know/ herd of him he  is maternal but i cant say for sure im unsure of his pedigree.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've always felt like WMW is probably the top "club calf" maternal bull out there...
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: OH Breeder on December 16, 2011, 01:51:26 PM
I have never used either bull and I am not sure what breed (s) you are looking at, but it seems like I have seen a lot of nice Sunseekers, Monopolys,and Who Made Whos in the clubby genetics. Another one I was kind of curious about and by the way I am interested in anyones input on all this like I said I dont have first hand knowledge this is more of an observation, but I also have seen a few Harcore that I like.
not to be rude but didnt he say maternal bull and i dont remember sunseeker, monopoly, or even wmw being maternal. hard core i think from what i know/ herd of him he  is maternal but i cant say for sure im unsure of his pedigree.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've always felt like WMW is probably the top "club calf" maternal bull out there...

I think you are right in the clubby market- Good WMW females are pretty valuable.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: outspoken on December 16, 2011, 02:00:57 PM
Do you think WMW produced more 'great' females or 'terminal oriented ones' in his lifetime...?

What about Heat Seeker? 

Heat Wave? 

I find it hard to believe that any club calf bull can be considered 'maternal'- but i guess if you got me down and pointed a gun at my head I'd agree and call WMW the king of club calf mamas- he is the best at producing females for a diamond in the rough. 
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: OH Breeder on December 16, 2011, 02:56:07 PM
Do you think WMW produced more 'great' females or 'terminal oriented ones' in his lifetime...?

What about Heat Seeker? 

Heat Wave? 

I find it hard to believe that any club calf bull can be considered 'maternal'- but i guess if you got me down and pointed a gun at my head I'd agree and call WMW the king of club calf mamas- he is the best at producing females for a diamond in the rough. 

Jodi,

IT depends on what you are breeding for. WE have discussed this in the past- your herd is not nor will ever be club oriented. Now, if you read the show circuit you discussed earlier and or look at Lautner's blog you will see good WMW females just seem to click with clubby bulls.  If you were breeding for club genetics you would want a few good Who Made Who mothers in your herd. I  have one in our herd and she is maternal to the T. She catches first stick AI, calves unassisted and milks excellent. She is going on 15 years old and you can see in her picture she looks pretty good for 15. The pic of her was from this past spring '11.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: outspoken on December 16, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
Jodi,
IT depends on what you are breeding for. WE have discussed this in the past- your herd is not nor will ever be club oriented. Now, if you read the show circuit you discussed earlier and or look at Lautner's blog you will see good WMW females just seem to click with clubby bulls.  If you were breeding for club genetics you would want a few good Who Made Who mothers in your herd. I  have one in our herd and she is maternal to the T. She catches first stick AI, calves unassisted and milks excellent. She is going on 15 years old and you can see in her picture she looks pretty good for 15. The pic of her was from this past spring '11.
you are missing the point--  I stated that obiviosly WMW is one of the best female producing club calf bulls that has ever been created...  The question that I asked was...  
Do you think WMW produced more 'great' females or 'terminal oriented ones' in his lifetime...?
and what I just read on another post...  What do you think made more great WMW daughters- average cows, or great Angus ones- was he a cow changer?  I'm going to guess and say that those great cows, which are sired by WMW, are 99% of the time getting their greatness from the otherside of their pedigree.  

If you only knew what is in my semen tank... Carpe Diem, WMW, Captain Morgan, Capiche, D Stuff, Moody Blues, Stainless Steel, Visiouary, D Vision, a Sonny son, and another JPJ son- along with some other stuff... and lord knows whatever else that's gone by now.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: OH Breeder on December 16, 2011, 03:08:54 PM
Jodi,
IT depends on what you are breeding for. WE have discussed this in the past- your herd is not nor will ever be club oriented. Now, if you read the show circuit you discussed earlier and or look at Lautner's blog you will see good WMW females just seem to click with clubby bulls.  If you were breeding for club genetics you would want a few good Who Made Who mothers in your herd. I  have one in our herd and she is maternal to the T. She catches first stick AI, calves unassisted and milks excellent. She is going on 15 years old and you can see in her picture she looks pretty good for 15. The pic of her was from this past spring '11.
you are missing the point--  I stated that obiviosly WMW is one of the best female producing club calf bulls that has ever been created...  The question that I asked was... 
Do you think WMW produced more 'great' females or 'terminal oriented ones' in his lifetime...?
and what I just read on another post...  What do you think made more great WMW daughters- average cows, or great Angus ones- was he a cow changer?  I'm going to guess and say that those great cows, which are sired by WMW, are 99% of the time getting their greatness from the otherside of their pedigree. 

never know when your serious or tongue in cheek? ??? So yes, probably missed your point.
Title: Re: Maternal Bull
Post by: outspoken on December 16, 2011, 03:10:31 PM
Jodi,
IT depends on what you are breeding for. WE have discussed this in the past- your herd is not nor will ever be club oriented. Now, if you read the show circuit you discussed earlier and or look at Lautner's blog you will see good WMW females just seem to click with clubby bulls.  If you were breeding for club genetics you would want a few good Who Made Who mothers in your herd. I  have one in our herd and she is maternal to the T. She catches first stick AI, calves unassisted and milks excellent. She is going on 15 years old and you can see in her picture she looks pretty good for 15. The pic of her was from this past spring '11.
you are missing the point--  I stated that obiviosly WMW is one of the best female producing club calf bulls that has ever been created...  The question that I asked was... 
Do you think WMW produced more 'great' females or 'terminal oriented ones' in his lifetime...?
and what I just read on another post...  What do you think made more great WMW daughters- average cows, or great Angus ones- was he a cow changer?  I'm going to guess and say that those great cows, which are sired by WMW, are 99% of the time getting their greatness from the otherside of their pedigree. 

never know when your serious or tongue in cheek? ??? So yes, probably missed your point.
and your response will be?  read my ETA to the above post.. you might really scratch your head after that..