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Re: Mature bulls
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2019, 07:02:48 AM »
Never heard of whitebreds before!! Nice  (thumbsup)

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« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2019, 10:05:38 AM »


I am really looking forward to my trip next week to Ireland and then on to England. I arrive in Dublin Saturday morning, August 10th and I will spend the next 4 days there.  I will also  be attending the Tullamore show which hosts the National breed shows for all breeds. I have heard the entries for most shows are some of the strongest ever, so I expect to see a lot of interesting cattle. Then on to England for another several days. Almost two weeks isn't enough to see everything, but it is a good start!   Hoping to see as many Shorthorn herds as I can. I expect to see some excellent cattle. ??? PLEASE TAKE ANY KIND OF CELL PICTURES NO MATTER HOW MUNDANE THEY MAY SEEM _ESPECIALLY THE BRITISH WHITEBREDS IF THEY HAVE A  DISPLAY-ITS A GOD$%%&*()m travesty that cattle that thick EZ calving and historically useful  for 200 years could be almost extinct They created the ORIGINGAL GRASS FED BLUE GREYS-that pompous wanna bes like Pharo cattle dont want to recognize because they arent his so-called- idea -nor do they conform to the sale barn moron color codes O0
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This is something I have thought about many times since I travelled in Scotland a few years ago. On that trip, I spent the first 5 days attending the Royal Highland Show in Edinburgh. I saw so many different cattle... some I liked and some I certainly didn't. I also liked the Britsih Whitebred cattle and saw a tremendous amount of usefulness in them. I was also super impressed with the Longhorn breed, and they are totally different than what we think of when we think of Longhorns in North America. If I had been the judge of the Beef Supreme over all Breeds that year, I would have selected the Champion Longhorn bull. The Grand Champion Longhorn female would have also been in the running for Supreme over all breeds. I watched the Luing show at the Royal Highland, and I have often wondered why this breed has never caught on with those cattle producers who are wanting calving ease, moderate frames and sound structures. The Luings were probably the soundness set of cattle I saw, and by far, the most uniform. They are known for their calving ease, hardiness and also have excellent carcass traits. I also saw some South Devons that blew my mind and some Red Devons appeared to be useful beasts as well. I was also very impressed with the Beef Friesens. The first Beef Friesens I ever saw was at Beef Genetics Research Inc, Mankato, KS when we drove there to see the Irish Shorthorns they had imported in the early 70s. Deerpark Dividend, Deerpark Improver and Deerpark Improver 3rd were included in this shipment. Dick Judy also imported Simmentals and Beef Friesens on that trip and the Beef Friesens were by far the biggest number he imported. Of our group of 5 who made this trip, we all agreed that they were the best cattle we saw. All 5 of us also agreed that we did not think they had much chance of ever being accepted in North America because of their black and white coloring. The pasture of 30 Beef Friesen yearling heifers at BGR was one of the most impressive sets of replacement heifers I have ever saw.
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« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2019, 11:44:04 AM »
I saw some beef friesans in England as well I thought they were black white maines or something from a distance-they were big and thick as any beef cattle Id seen.Also saw a whole cowherd of Bluegreys in Devon which is the south of England O0

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« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2019, 04:11:14 PM »
beef friesians are also red and white.


tim ohlde used to have quite a few.


they are mostly what's in the background of his "angus II"


I have a catalog of beef friesian semen.


not sure how one would find 100% friesian females at this point.


would love to get that semen. especially the reds. i thought a couple of the reds were better than the b/w's he had.


they sort of remind me of the whitebreds except prettier.


they are what was used to make amerifax


https://www.dustyprairieranch.com/aboutus.html


https://www.beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_focus_females


http://www.vbarcattle.com/amerifax.html

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« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2019, 05:45:14 PM »
The Irish Red and Irish Black that Maurice Boney developed are largely Beef Friesian.  Good cattle too.

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Re: Mature bulls
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2019, 08:40:29 PM »
beef friesians are also red and white.


tim ohlde used to have quite a few.


they are mostly what's in the background of his "angus II"




I have a catalog of beef friesian semen.


not sure how one would find 100% friesian females at this point.


would love to get that semen. especially the reds. i thought a couple of the reds were better than the b/w's he had.


they sort of remind me of the whitebreds except prettier.


they are what was used to make amerifax


https://www.dustyprairieranch.com/aboutus.html


https://www.beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_focus_females


http://www.vbarcattle.com/amerifax.html


If memory serves me correctly, I am thinking that Tim Ohlde worked at Beef Genetics Research for awhile, possibly right around the time of the Irish importations.
I am also really looking forward to seeing some Irish Moile cattle. I haven't seen any in the flesh yet, but I have been hearing some stories that they are making a comeback in the UK. Some of them look pretty interesting as well.
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« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2019, 08:49:46 PM »
I think ohlde imported dividend, couldnt get Assn to register him so he sold him.

He was also partial to Cumberland line, got some in hands of cal poly, bought a few back and one became JPJ.

He would bring 20 or so to cal polys steer sale every year and would take on interns every year.

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« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2019, 09:11:08 PM »
I think ohlde imported dividend, couldnt get Assn to register him so he sold him.

He was also partial to Cumberland line, got some in hands of cal poly, bought a few back and one became JPJ.

He would bring 20 or so to cal polys steer sale every year and would take on interns every year.

My memory tells me that Dick Judy told us that Ohlde had imported some of the cattle but I don't ever recall being told which ones were his. He could quite well have imported Dividend  as we tried to buy him as soon as we saw him. The ASA had just turned down the Irish cattle from entering the ASA herd book at any level , for the second time, just before we got there. When we saw Dividend, we tried to buy him as we thought we may have a good chance getting him into the Canadian herd book. At first Judy told us he would not sell Dividend, but he contacted us a few days later and said that everything should have a value so he would sell him to us at $20,000 US. We were tempted, but then decided that we already had One bull from Ireland and we could go back and get another for less money if we wanted one.
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Re: Mature bulls
« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2019, 11:56:38 AM »
The Aldens could tell you how and when Improver and Dividend were put in the ASA herd book.

 

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