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Title: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 13, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
Hi! Anyone have any pics of any lautner bulls in their working clothes? I really wanna see general lee, but any will be great! Post away.... Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Gargan on May 13, 2019, 02:04:40 PM
Here's a couple
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 13, 2019, 03:44:39 PM
Thanks! I've seen them in their website.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: ROMAX on May 13, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
General Lee was displayed as a mature bull,So you should be able to contact the owners for a pic.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 13, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Ok if no one has a pic of him I will ask the owner!!
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: PCJR21 on May 14, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
 Not that this helps a whole bunch but I sure do like looking at mature bull pics. Also like to see some more pics
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 14, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
Not that this helps a whole bunch but I sure do like looking at mature bull pics. Also like to see some more pics
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 Agreed!!!
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Gargan on May 14, 2019, 06:02:39 PM
Mature video of Penny Stacks
https://youtu.be/gGtrg-dPvFk
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: CRS on May 14, 2019, 07:41:19 PM
This is his 2 year old Denver Display.  He looked pretty close to that at the Ohio Beef Expo.  Little larger outline that most clubby bulls.

https://youtu.be/zGtpZpkT1Dc
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 14, 2019, 09:23:34 PM
Thanks! I've seen that video...he is STOUT!!!  :)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 14, 2019, 09:25:01 PM
Penny stacks is cool too  O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 15, 2019, 08:28:07 PM
Keep posting!!!!! (pop)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: GM on May 15, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
Thereís something odd about these mature bull pics.  Very different from the mature bull image I see in my minds eye when I think of beef cattle. 
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: PCJR21 on May 16, 2019, 09:46:49 PM
I think mature bull pics are somethings hard to come by because it think a lot of people struggle to evaluate cattle that are low in body condition and not fit up. Itís like an instagram model with out her phone filters.

Last year i seen a known bull on a lease out breeding cows in the hills. I wonít say the bulls name but I can tell you if you were not told it was that bull you would possibly not know the difference between him and some random small, skinny, underwhelming black bull. But bottom line his calves we dang good. But if the owner posted a pic of that bull in the shape he was in sales would be definitely go down... lol..

Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 17, 2019, 12:06:28 AM
03:54
Matt Lautner Cattle Hawkeye Breeders Virtual Tour
22K views5 years ago
YouTubeMatt Lautner
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 17, 2019, 12:07:56 AM
Watch this and just look at general lee.. (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 17, 2019, 12:09:30 AM
I like to look at them mature to see how they hold up and to see how they finish out too :)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: justintime on May 17, 2019, 08:46:37 AM
If you are ever in the Midwest, and have time to swing by a major semen collection center like Hawkeye Breeders, Adel, Ia, you can see many of these popular clubby bulls. It becomes pretty obvious to me, why they are promoted mainly by the calf picture of them. I have saw some that are impressive mature bulls, but I have also saw some that you would not let close to your Jersey milk cow. I have saw some that were so structurally unsound and crippled that I had to wonder why anyone would collect semen from them. Like I said earlier, I have also saw some that have matured well. I also like to see mature bull pictures in their working condition. It is at least 1 small step towards the real world.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 17, 2019, 02:55:09 PM
Yes definitely!! To many of them get crippled   ::)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Jacob B on May 17, 2019, 03:27:49 PM
I would much rather see mature cattle. No guess work needed then. Much easier to evaluate what they really are. Thatís why I like seeing the momma cows on pasture with calves when Iím buying cattle to see what the cow looks like and the bull. We are all guessing as to what we think they will look like in the end at a show. 
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 17, 2019, 06:31:09 PM
Spool true ::)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: knabe on May 18, 2019, 11:06:11 AM
03:54
Matt Lautner Cattle Hawkeye Breeders Virtual Tour
22K views5 years ago
YouTubeMatt Lautner


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vTeTNGnEDk0 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vTeTNGnEDk0)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: knabe on May 18, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
At some level, I am always impressed at the turnover of bulls of the retailers.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: PCJR21 on May 18, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
Cool video! Thank for letting us know about it.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on May 19, 2019, 10:37:41 AM
Np!  ;D
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: PCJR21 on June 03, 2019, 12:12:59 AM
Just because I like this thread and want to keep it going. This is a bull we bought from Fair Cattle in California. His name is Humdinger he is a MossyOak and he is 15 years old and still breeding cows.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Gargan on June 03, 2019, 08:03:15 AM
15???
I would have guessed 5. Impressive! What's his dams side?
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: knabe on June 03, 2019, 09:23:46 AM
cool, a nice breeder in CA!!!!
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 03, 2019, 12:22:42 PM
Man hes cool looking-probably 200 years old in people years-the only other bull I know of that made it almost that long was Dales bull-Wildside O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: PCJR21 on June 03, 2019, 07:58:44 PM
ACA #315460

His dam was a Mayerís 734
He was pictured for semen sales. select sires ďI thinkĒ did not want to use him because at the time they had so many MossyOak bulls. His offspring BW was around 80lbs
Probably have had 300+ of calves out of him and only pulled 15-20

We actually bred him back  to his daughters because he did such a good job building females

 Attached is a picture of one of his Daughters only one I had handy

Todd Fair/ Fair Cattle still has straws of him
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Medium Rare on June 04, 2019, 01:59:26 PM
I try to make it through the Iowa stud barns once or twice a year and am often left wondering if anyone actually looks at these bulls after their promotion pics. While some big names are always down right disappointing, there are always a couple lesser or non promoted bulls who look really good that you never end up hearing anything about.

Times have sure changed, too. I think back to the 1990s when you'd run into a highly promoted cubby bull out on lease in some obscure pasture and be blown away. Now you often have to ask how old they are because you're eyes can't believe they're a "mature" bull.

Mature bull pic to keep the thread rolling...
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 04, 2019, 08:43:43 PM
WHO DATTT? O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Medium Rare on June 04, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
He's a Bonanza son that appears to be putting some pretty functional daughters in the herd. I've used him to create some half sib x half sib matings to wind up some pedigrees and so far things look to be working well.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on June 06, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
Thank you guys for keeping the thread rollin......
Very nice black and white bull you hqve !! And absolutely amazing he still breeding at 15!!!!!!
Very nice red bull too, he should produce some nice ones  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on June 14, 2019, 09:38:31 PM
Keep the thread goin....... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: ska on June 18, 2019, 11:02:31 PM
i think there might be some more pictures on Facebook. i know a lot of people like rogers cattle, lautner bulls, ect have a lot of cool pics.
best of luck
ska  <beer>
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on June 19, 2019, 08:40:31 AM
Thanks  <beer>
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 02, 2019, 09:05:04 PM
Saskvalley Alamo
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 02, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
Few more pics
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on July 03, 2019, 10:24:24 AM
VERY nice bull you habe !!! What's his genetics? The last red calf is outstanding  (clapping) (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Hopster1000 on July 05, 2019, 04:55:51 PM
This is the first bull I've owned and bought him last year to sweep up after AI. Just thought I'd throw him into the thread when I had a mature pic. He's 32 months. Think he's grown well, although he isn't tall by Irish standards. He is standing a bit funny but he wasn't for moving. Bred from Sprys Patents Ace and an Irish bred cow (from a bull, Bushypark Enda 4th).
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on July 09, 2019, 10:38:13 AM
Awesome!!! Love him!!  (angel) <beer> (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on July 09, 2019, 03:49:14 PM
New herd sire, Saskvalley Editor 75E
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on July 09, 2019, 07:30:58 PM
Very nice bull  :) How are his calves?
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: CRS on July 16, 2019, 06:47:22 PM
This guy has served us well he's 6 1/2 in this picture and still getting it done like a 2 year old.  Throws good heifers and pretty decent steers with some performance to him.  He's a Sooner out of Wisnefski's 2012 Reserve Champion Maine at Denver.  Disposition is an A+, still can walk up to him, throw on a halter and load him, but is an aggressive breeder.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on July 17, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Very nice!! Good bloodlines too!  (thumbsup)
Looks like my herd bull, but mine has more power ;)
Mine is super sweet too.... his name is low and slow for a reason  (lol)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 17, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
This is the first bull I've owned and bought him last year to sweep up after AI. Just thought I'd throw him into the thread when I had a mature pic. He's 32 months. Think he's grown well, although he isn't tall by Irish standards. He is standing a bit funny but he wasn't for moving. Bred from Sprys Patents Ace and an Irish bred cow (from a bull, Bushypark Enda 4th).//// Ive been going on the Societies issues and have seen a couple phenominal animals in Ireland-Its like the old days-Where does that magic come from? I wish the powers that be over there and or here would have a few beers or whatever and resume the back and forth on some of those genetics again O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on July 17, 2019, 09:24:59 PM
 (thumbsup) (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Hopster1000 on July 24, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
This is the first bull I've owned and bought him last year to sweep up after AI. Just thought I'd throw him into the thread when I had a mature pic. He's 32 months. Think he's grown well, although he isn't tall by Irish standards. He is standing a bit funny but he wasn't for moving. Bred from Sprys Patents Ace and an Irish bred cow (from a bull, Bushypark Enda 4th).//// Ive been going on the Societies issues and have seen a couple phenominal animals in Ireland-Its like the old days-Where does that magic come from? I wish the powers that be over there and or here would have a few beers or whatever and resume the back and forth on some of those genetics again O0

Ireland has been using North American and Australian genetics to improve the cattle here, however there are some great tradition Irish lines still here and when crossed with the imported semen the next generation are really improving. It takes both sides of the genetics pool to really impress. We have used some UK genetics as well, but the resulting crosses don't always hit the high levels seen with the North American and Australian crosses.
The 100% Irish lines are getting rarer now however and there is an additional herd book to record them. It's important to keep these lines and increase these numbers again because of how well they cross with the other genetics.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Gargan on July 28, 2019, 09:23:35 PM
Snapped this of Penny Stacks this evening in his working clothes
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on July 29, 2019, 09:17:25 AM
He's nice!!  (thumbsup) (clapping)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: BroncoFan on August 04, 2019, 12:39:30 AM
One of the clean up bulls at Burch Livestock. Yellow JacketxDragor Donor 501
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: justintime on August 04, 2019, 08:54:09 AM
I enjoy seeing mature bulls either in pictures or better yet, in the flesh. I think they tell you so much more than a calf picture does.
I have several mature bull pics in my picture files and I have attached some of them:

picture 1 is a picture I snapped of Alta Cedar Ultimate 130K as an 8 year old at Muridale. This was taken after he had been pulled from the breeding pasture.
Picture 2 is a really old one. This is Highfield Irish Mist at 12 years of age, after breeding over 60 cows that summer. He oftentimes bred cows at 3 farms every year and oftentimes bred 90-100 cows each year naturally. I consider him to be my " once in a lifetime" bull.
Picture 3 is HC Free Spirit 6Y at 5 years of age. He had been breeding cows for 5 weeks when this picture was taken
Picture 4- NPS Improver 948 -  pictured here at 9 years of age. He was a TH free son of Deerpark Improver and Ka'Ba Rose T90.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 04, 2019, 10:22:14 AM
Snapped this of Penny Stacks this evening in his working clothes
//// DITTO hes a really good looking "Hereford"=saw him yesturday after he went for a swim in the pond O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 04, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
This is the first bull I've owned and bought him last year to sweep up after AI. Just thought I'd throw him into the thread when I had a mature pic. He's 32 months. Think he's grown well, although he isn't tall by Irish standards. He is standing a bit funny but he wasn't for moving. Bred from Sprys Patents Ace and an Irish bred cow (from a bull, Bushypark Enda 4th).//// Ive been going on the Societies issues and have seen a couple phenominal animals in Ireland-Its like the old days-Where does that magic come from? I wish the powers that be over there and or here would have a few beers or whatever and resume the back and forth on some of those genetics again O0

Ireland has been using North American and Australian genetics to improve the cattle here, however there are some great tradition Irish lines still here and when crossed with the imported semen the next generation are really improving. It takes both sides of the genetics pool to really impress. We have used some UK genetics as well, but the resulting crosses don't always hit the high levels seen with the North American and Australian crosses.
The 100% Irish lines are getting rarer now however and there is an additional herd book to record them. It's important to keep these lines and increase these numbers again because of how well they cross with the other genetics.//// Very important JMO-I was over in 1992 and went to meet Kevin Culhane, Paddy Omally, John Mcnally-Highfield, Edward Quane-Deerpark, and the breeder of the Irish Ballyart bull that sold semen in the US the following year-I took some pictures of the cattle bulls etc-They were the originals-And every one seemed unique from the next one at some places.There will never be a genetic base like them again O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: justintime on August 04, 2019, 11:15:31 AM
This is the first bull I've owned and bought him last year to sweep up after AI. Just thought I'd throw him into the thread when I had a mature pic. He's 32 months. Think he's grown well, although he isn't tall by Irish standards. He is standing a bit funny but he wasn't for moving. Bred from Sprys Patents Ace and an Irish bred cow (from a bull, Bushypark Enda 4th).//// Ive been going on the Societies issues and have seen a couple phenominal animals in Ireland-Its like the old days-Where does that magic come from? I wish the powers that be over there and or here would have a few beers or whatever and resume the back and forth on some of those genetics again O0

Ireland has been using North American and Australian genetics to improve the cattle here, however there are some great tradition Irish lines still here and when crossed with the imported semen the next generation are really improving. It takes both sides of the genetics pool to really impress. We have used some UK genetics as well, but the resulting crosses don't always hit the high levels seen with the North American and Australian crosses.
The 100% Irish lines are getting rarer now however and there is an additional herd book to record them. It's important to keep these lines and increase these numbers again because of how well they cross with the other genetics.


I am really looking forward to my trip next week to Ireland and then on to England. I arrive in Dublin Saturday morning, August 10th and I will spend the next 4 days there.  I will also  be attending the Tullamore show which hosts the National breed shows for all breeds. I have heard the entries for most shows are some of the strongest ever, so I expect to see a lot of interesting cattle. Then on to England for another several days. Almost two weeks isn't enough to see everything, but it is a good start!   Hoping to see as many Shorthorn herds as I can. I expect to see some excellent cattle.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: BroncoFan on August 04, 2019, 03:54:27 PM
Burch Livestock is also using a Blue Roan son of this bull.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on August 04, 2019, 06:30:50 PM
Nice!! Love blue roans  ;D
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 04, 2019, 08:56:27 PM
ME TOO _I AM ALWAYS INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHERE ANY BLUES COME FROM PEDIGREE WISE PLEASE KEEP ME POSTED FOLKS-ITS HARD TO PIN DOWN THE WHEN AND WHERE BUT TO ME AND SURPRISING AND MOUNTING NUMBER OF OTHER BREEDS-BREEDERS THEY ARE SOMEWHAT OF A HOLY GRAIL-THE NO MANS LAND OF CATTLE COVETED TO THE POINT THAT THE COLOR CODES OF THE SALE BARN MORONS AND SLICK MARKETING OF SO CALLED ANGUS BEEF VANISH INTO THIN AIR AND THEY KICK ASS AT SHOWS TOO O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 04, 2019, 10:17:20 PM
This is the first bull I've owned and bought him last year to sweep up after AI. Just thought I'd throw him into the thread when I had a mature pic. He's 32 months. Think he's grown well, although he isn't tall by Irish standards. He is standing a bit funny but he wasn't for moving. Bred from Sprys Patents Ace and an Irish bred cow (from a bull, Bushypark Enda 4th).//// Ive been going on the Societies issues and have seen a couple phenominal animals in Ireland-Its like the old days-Where does that magic come from? I wish the powers that be over there and or here would have a few beers or whatever and resume the back and forth on some of those genetics again O0

Ireland has been using North American and Australian genetics to improve the cattle here, however there are some great tradition Irish lines still here and when crossed with the imported semen the next generation are really improving. It takes both sides of the genetics pool to really impress. We have used some UK genetics as well, but the resulting crosses don't always hit the high levels seen with the North American and Australian crosses.
The 100% Irish lines are getting rarer now however and there is an additional herd book to record them. It's important to keep these lines and increase these numbers again because of how well they cross with the other genetics.


I am really looking forward to my trip next week to Ireland and then on to England. I arrive in Dublin Saturday morning, August 10th and I will spend the next 4 days there.  I will also  be attending the Tullamore show which hosts the National breed shows for all breeds. I have heard the entries for most shows are some of the strongest ever, so I expect to see a lot of interesting cattle. Then on to England for another several days. Almost two weeks isn't enough to see everything, but it is a good start!   Hoping to see as many Shorthorn herds as I can. I expect to see some excellent cattle. ??? PLEASE TAKE ANY KIND OF CELL PICTURES NO MATTER HOW MUNDANE THEY MAY SEEM _ESPECIALLY THE BRITISH WHITEBREDS IF THEY HAVE A  DISPLAY-ITS A GOD$%%&*()m travesty that cattle that thick EZ calving and historically useful  for 200 years could be almost extinct They created the ORIGINGAL GRASS FED BLUE GREYS-that pompous wanna bes like Pharo cattle dont want to recognize because they arent his so-called- idea -nor do they conform to the sale barn moron color codes O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: Wildmustang777 on August 05, 2019, 07:02:48 AM
Never heard of whitebreds before!! Nice  (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: justintime on August 05, 2019, 10:05:38 AM


I am really looking forward to my trip next week to Ireland and then on to England. I arrive in Dublin Saturday morning, August 10th and I will spend the next 4 days there.  I will also  be attending the Tullamore show which hosts the National breed shows for all breeds. I have heard the entries for most shows are some of the strongest ever, so I expect to see a lot of interesting cattle. Then on to England for another several days. Almost two weeks isn't enough to see everything, but it is a good start!   Hoping to see as many Shorthorn herds as I can. I expect to see some excellent cattle. ??? PLEASE TAKE ANY KIND OF CELL PICTURES NO MATTER HOW MUNDANE THEY MAY SEEM _ESPECIALLY THE BRITISH WHITEBREDS IF THEY HAVE A  DISPLAY-ITS A GOD$%%&*()m travesty that cattle that thick EZ calving and historically useful  for 200 years could be almost extinct They created the ORIGINGAL GRASS FED BLUE GREYS-that pompous wanna bes like Pharo cattle dont want to recognize because they arent his so-called- idea -nor do they conform to the sale barn moron color codes O0
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This is something I have thought about many times since I travelled in Scotland a few years ago. On that trip, I spent the first 5 days attending the Royal Highland Show in Edinburgh. I saw so many different cattle... some I liked and some I certainly didn't. I also liked the Britsih Whitebred cattle and saw a tremendous amount of usefulness in them. I was also super impressed with the Longhorn breed, and they are totally different than what we think of when we think of Longhorns in North America. If I had been the judge of the Beef Supreme over all Breeds that year, I would have selected the Champion Longhorn bull. The Grand Champion Longhorn female would have also been in the running for Supreme over all breeds. I watched the Luing show at the Royal Highland, and I have often wondered why this breed has never caught on with those cattle producers who are wanting calving ease, moderate frames and sound structures. The Luings were probably the soundness set of cattle I saw, and by far, the most uniform. They are known for their calving ease, hardiness and also have excellent carcass traits. I also saw some South Devons that blew my mind and some Red Devons appeared to be useful beasts as well. I was also very impressed with the Beef Friesens. The first Beef Friesens I ever saw was at Beef Genetics Research Inc, Mankato, KS when we drove there to see the Irish Shorthorns they had imported in the early 70s. Deerpark Dividend, Deerpark Improver and Deerpark Improver 3rd were included in this shipment. Dick Judy also imported Simmentals and Beef Friesens on that trip and the Beef Friesens were by far the biggest number he imported. Of our group of 5 who made this trip, we all agreed that they were the best cattle we saw. All 5 of us also agreed that we did not think they had much chance of ever being accepted in North America because of their black and white coloring. The pasture of 30 Beef Friesen yearling heifers at BGR was one of the most impressive sets of replacement heifers I have ever saw.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 05, 2019, 11:44:04 AM
I saw some beef friesans in England as well I thought they were black white maines or something from a distance-they were big and thick as any beef cattle Id seen.Also saw a whole cowherd of Bluegreys in Devon which is the south of England O0
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: knabe on August 05, 2019, 04:11:14 PM
beef friesians are also red and white.


tim ohlde used to have quite a few.


they are mostly what's in the background of his "angus II"


I have a catalog of beef friesian semen.


not sure how one would find 100% friesian females at this point.


would love to get that semen. especially the reds. i thought a couple of the reds were better than the b/w's he had.


they sort of remind me of the whitebreds except prettier.


they are what was used to make amerifax


https://www.dustyprairieranch.com/aboutus.html (https://www.dustyprairieranch.com/aboutus.html)


https://www.beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_focus_females (https://www.beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_focus_females)


http://www.vbarcattle.com/amerifax.html (http://www.vbarcattle.com/amerifax.html)
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: beebe on August 05, 2019, 05:45:14 PM
The Irish Red and Irish Black that Maurice Boney developed are largely Beef Friesian.  Good cattle too.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: justintime on August 05, 2019, 08:40:29 PM
beef friesians are also red and white.


tim ohlde used to have quite a few.


they are mostly what's in the background of his "angus II"




I have a catalog of beef friesian semen.


not sure how one would find 100% friesian females at this point.


would love to get that semen. especially the reds. i thought a couple of the reds were better than the b/w's he had.


they sort of remind me of the whitebreds except prettier.


they are what was used to make amerifax


[url]https://www.dustyprairieranch.com/aboutus.html[/url] ([url]https://www.dustyprairieranch.com/aboutus.html[/url])


[url]https://www.beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_focus_females[/url] ([url]https://www.beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_focus_females[/url])


[url]http://www.vbarcattle.com/amerifax.html[/url] ([url]http://www.vbarcattle.com/amerifax.html[/url])


If memory serves me correctly, I am thinking that Tim Ohlde worked at Beef Genetics Research for awhile, possibly right around the time of the Irish importations.
I am also really looking forward to seeing some Irish Moile cattle. I haven't seen any in the flesh yet, but I have been hearing some stories that they are making a comeback in the UK. Some of them look pretty interesting as well.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: knabe on August 05, 2019, 08:49:46 PM
I think ohlde imported dividend, couldnít get Assn to register him so he sold him.

He was also partial to Cumberland line, got some in hands of cal poly, bought a few back and one became JPJ.

He would bring 20 or so to cal polyís steer sale every year and would take on interns every year.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: justintime on August 05, 2019, 09:11:08 PM
I think ohlde imported dividend, couldnít get Assn to register him so he sold him.

He was also partial to Cumberland line, got some in hands of cal poly, bought a few back and one became JPJ.

He would bring 20 or so to cal polyís steer sale every year and would take on interns every year.

My memory tells me that Dick Judy told us that Ohlde had imported some of the cattle but I don't ever recall being told which ones were his. He could quite well have imported Dividend  as we tried to buy him as soon as we saw him. The ASA had just turned down the Irish cattle from entering the ASA herd book at any level , for the second time, just before we got there. When we saw Dividend, we tried to buy him as we thought we may have a good chance getting him into the Canadian herd book. At first Judy told us he would not sell Dividend, but he contacted us a few days later and said that everything should have a value so he would sell him to us at $20,000 US. We were tempted, but then decided that we already had One bull from Ireland and we could go back and get another for less money if we wanted one.
Title: Re: Mature bulls
Post by: oakview on August 06, 2019, 11:56:38 AM
The Aldens could tell you how and when Improver and Dividend were put in the ASA herd book.