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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2012, 11:09:49 AM »
Can anyone help with filling more of these terms in?

Capacious - Lots of space, room to grow (could be used to describe many aspects of an animal)
Pounds Heavy -  they are shorter but weigh more than taller cattle and because volume weighs more than height, they are deceptively heavier
Heavy Footed - Heavy and slow in movement  - big footed
Roomy Middled -Big barreled, lots of spring in ribs, capacious
Broken over in the knee   (knew was mis-spelled)  they just buckle over in the knee, no one says it, it's just an indication of lameness
Weak in the loin - Thin topped , bad top (middle of the back)
Breaks in the chine - Breaks in the back (curve in the back)
Wasty Middled - an indication of unfitness, loosey skinned, fatty look, kinda like the rear end of an expecting cow
Goose Fronted-rocket fronted, choke neck, clean neck and throat latch without excessive leather or skin
Cute Headed  - short muzzled like irish whiskey cattle, usually means earlier maturing
Post Legged  - legs are straight like TH cattle
High Pinned--  pin bones are too high.  can lead to inadequate cleanliness in the feminine parts and supposedly make it more difficult to calve

Flat Boned-Cannon bones appear to be more flat than round when viewed from profile

Round Boned  -  see flat boned
Flat Ribbed   -  flatter in that area, sometimes fooled by cattle being just fat
Pone Fat - The fat deposited on either side of the tail 
Carries through to twist-adequate amount of muscle down the back and inside of hind leg  -  just means they carry lower between their legs.  poplar haven red alert was the first fullblood that supposedly did this.  too bad, he was notorious for no milk and his use was quickly curtailed.  he is still in a lot of popular bloodlines, i.e. sooner.


some of the terms i listed above are from the 80's and are probably not used much anymore.
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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2012, 12:38:12 PM »
Ok...umm...not exactly.

Capacity refers to volume. Volume equals length x width x height (depth). So when we talk about capacity, we're talking about the amount of volume as measured by the internal dimension, evaluating an animal's body length, body width & body depth.

When we say an animal is "pounds heavy" it just means they weigh more. If we have the ability to weigh the animal, this becomes definitive, not subjective. If we don't have scales--and often we don't--it's important to learn to estimate weight and differences in performance. The one that weighs the most is the pounds heavy calf.

I'm not sure about "heavy footed". That's one I've never heard and frankly I'm not sure what it means or that it's the best way to describe whatever it means. If it's heavy boned or big footed, then say heavy boned or big footed. We don't weigh feet.

"Weak loined" means exactly what it says...weak in the top over theoin area. This animal appears to have a sway in their back, as opposed to a strong or straight top which is straight from the top of the shoulder to the curve of the tail head. These animals are usually loose structured and still sounder made than cattle that "bow their top" which tend to be straighter off both ends and have less flex to the hock, knee and pastern.

"Post legged" means there is little or no set to the hock. The back legs appear very straight, and the animal tends to swing the hind leg from the hip instead of flexing the hock to move forward. Picture yourself walking without bending your knee... The opposite of post legged is sickle hocked, when there is too much set to the hock joint.

High pinned (I'm not sure I've ever heard one described this way) but would mean the pin bones are set higher than the hook bones, giving the hip an upward appearance as opposed to being level from hooks to pins (desirable) or dropping in her pins. From a production standpoint, a sloped hip does make more sense because the calf comes out in a downward direction. Cattle that slope badly from hooks to pins tend to have more slope to other angles including shoulders and pasterns and might also tend to have more set to the hock. Everything is connected!

Flat ribbed is the same as being "slab sided" meaning they lack the desired shape to the rib which lends to having more volume or internal width. It doesn't necessarily make one shallow or short which are other indicators that an animal lacks volume and capacity...those are different, though. Slab sided cattle are typically also lighter muscled and narrow based, but I don't suppose that is automatically the case.

Hope that helps a little.

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2012, 01:18:11 PM »
 vol is not l x w x h if there are curved surfaces.  If it were cattle would be a box

The rounder they are in their rib, chest floor, deeper in their twist, neck, the more volume they have.

The volume of a cube is overestimated compared to a sphere ( many sources document this)

Sometimes it's odd for people to see cattle walk across a scale and have a weight guessing game. Same with newborns.

it's difficult to evaluate volume when looking at cattle in the side profile only.
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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2012, 04:47:11 PM »
true skeletal width.
 
I hear this more in the hog deal but have heard Dan Hoge use it several times at cattle shows.
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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2012, 09:00:53 PM »
Is goose necked used as a pos. or neg. term?
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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2012, 10:15:42 PM »
I always thought it was a positive thing..I could be wrong though.

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2012, 11:51:41 PM »
Is goose necked used as a pos. or neg. term?


LOL. That made me laugh. I'm personally not a fan of what I call the pencil necked females. Too often they're too tight hearted and hard doing to suit me. I don't mind a little front end...I think those are the cattle that have some grow in em, but I guess some people don't like to look at em. I don't mind a pretty fronted one if she's soft middled...it's just hard to make em like that sometimes.

The term goose necked sure doesn't sound very flattering, does it? lol

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2012, 12:55:58 AM »
Is goose necked used as a pos. or neg. term?


LOL. That made me laugh. I'm personally not a fan of what I call the pencil necked females. Too often they're too tight hearted and hard doing to suit me. I don't mind a little front end...I think those are the cattle that have some grow in em, but I guess some people don't like to look at em. I don't mind a pretty fronted one if she's soft middled...it's just hard to make em like that sometimes.

The term goose necked sure doesn't sound very flattering, does it? lol

I agree that these two traits don't often come in the same package. I would rather have an animal that is a little wastey on the front and has a deeper and wider heart girth than a super trim front end with a pinched heart girth. Some of our best doing and producing females have some extra mass in the front third.
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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2012, 03:20:23 PM »
I find a lot of Simmental cattle will have some front end as calves, but then they grow in to that in time. We've had a number of cattle that appear pretty waste as calves or weanlings, and by the time they're yearlings or 2-year-olds, they almost look like different animal. A lot of other breeds are a little different...it's just something I accept because I'd rather have rib and volume and easy doing over "goosey-fronted" any day. I don't think we have to settle for downright ugly, though...I'm just not real hard on em for being heavier fronted, especially if they have time & look like the kind that'll grow into it. I like em pretty well enough...it's just not the most important thing to me.

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2012, 04:18:02 PM »
Great thread! I know a lot of these terms (or what they mean to me), but it is interesting to hear others describe them. Several have been described better than was described to me when i first learned the terms, much simpler. These threads are why SP is so cool.

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2012, 06:25:56 PM »
Great thread! I know a lot of these terms (or what they mean to me), but it is interesting to hear others describe them. Several have been described better than was described to me when i first learned the terms, much simpler. These threads are why SP is so cool.

This is exactly why I created this thread!! Glad people are getting something out of it

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2012, 01:55:03 PM »
I cleaned up the list a little. There are some terms left blank b.c i'm not sure how to describe them.. Not everyone will agree with the terms but they are all from SP members..Feel free to add your own definition.


Breaks in the Chine: Breaks in the back (curve in the back)

Broken over in the knee: They just buckle over in the knee, no one says it, is just an indication of lameness

Body Condition Score:  A score on a scale of 1 to 9, reflecting the amount of fat reserves in a cow's body, where 1 = very thin and 9 = extremely fat.

Calving Ease Score: A numerical score quantifying calving ease, ranging from 1 for an easy, unassisted calving through 5 for an abnormal presentation.

Capacious: Lots of space, room to grow (could be used to describe many aspects of an animal)

Carries through to Twist: Adequate amount of muscle down the back and inside of

Cute Headed: Short muzzled (like Irish whiskey cattle), usually means earlier maturing

Embryo Transfer:  Removing fertilized ova (embryos) from one cow (the donor), generally in response to hormone-induced superovulation, and placing these embryos into other cows (the recipients). More calves can be obtained from cows of superior breeding value by this technique

F1:  Offspring resulting from the mating of a purebred (straight-bred) bull to purebred (straight-bred) females of another breed.

Flat Ribbed: is the same as being "slab sided" meaning they lack the desired shape to the rib which lends to having more volume or internal width. It doesn't necessarily make one shallow or short, which are other indicators that an animal lacks volume and capacity...those are different, though. Slab sided cattle are typically also lighter muscled and narrow based, but I don't suppose that is automatically the case.
Flat Boned: Cannon bones appear to be more flat than round when viewed from profile
Freemartin:  Female born twin to a bull calf (approximately 9 out of10 will be infertile).

Green:

Goose Necked/Fronted: Rocket fronted, choke neck, clean necked and throat latch, without excessive leather or skin

Heavy Footed: Heavy and slow in movement, big footed

High Pinned: Pin bones are set higher than the hook bones, giving the hip an upward appearance as opposed to being level from hooks to pins (desirable) or dropping in her pins. From a production standpoint, a sloped hip does make more sense because the calf comes out in a downward direction. Cattle that slope badly from hooks to pins tend to have more slope to other angles including shoulders and pasterns and might also tend to have more set to the hock. Everything is connected!

Hind Leg: They carry lower between their legs.  Poplar haven red alert was the first fullblood that supposedly did this.  Too bad, he was notorious for no milk and his use was quickly curtailed.  He is still in a lot of popular bloodlines, i.e. sooner.

Maintenance Energy Requirement:  The amount of feed energy required per day by an animal to maintain its body weight and support necessary metabolic functions.

Maternal EPD:  An EPD representing the effect of the genes of an individual's daughters on the trait of interest. A calving ease maternal EPD, for example, represents the ease with which an individual daughters calve are born. See also Direct EPD.

Outbreeding (Outcrossing): Mating together of animals that are not closely related. Mild outbreeding is illustrated by mating cows to a sire of their own breed but who is not closely related to them. Such outcrossing may widen the genetic base in a herd and reduce inbreeding accumulation. A higher level of outcrossing is illustrated by crossing two Bos taurus breeds. This generally would result in beneficial heterosis for economically important traits.
Ovulation:  Release of the female germ cell (egg or ovum) by the ovary. Cows usually ovulate several hours (up to 15 hours) after the end of estrus or standing heat.

Palatability:  Acceptable to the taste or sufficiently agreeable in flavor to be eaten.

Parturition: The act of giving birth; calving.

Pedigree:  A tabulation of names of an individual's ancestors, usually only those of the three to five closest generations. Pedigree information is used to establish genetic relationships among individuals to use in genetic evaluations.

Pone Fat: The fat deposited on either side of the tail. Tail pones are useful in predicting quality grade in all cattle, especially dairy and exotic breeds. Animals showing no fat deposits on either side of the tail head should be considered for the standard quality grade. Select quality grade will show only small amounts of pone fat (about the size of a tennis ball) and choice grade cattle will show moderate amounts of pone fat (about the size of a soft ball).

Phenotype:  The visible or measurable expression of a character; weaning weight, post wean gain, or reproduction for example. For most traits, phenotype is influenced by both genotype and environment. The relative degree to which phenotypic variation among individuals is caused by transmissible genetic effects is the heritability of a trait

Polled: Naturally hornless cattle. Having no horns or scurs.

Postpartum Interval:  The number of days between parturition (Birth) and the first postpartum estrus (First Heat after Birth).

Post legged: Little or no set to the hock. The back legs appear very straight, and the animal tends to swing the hind leg from the hip instead of flexing the hock to move forward. Picture yourself walking without bending your knee... The opposite of post legged is sickle hocked, when there is too much set to the hock joint.

Progeny: The young, or offspring, of the parents.

Pounds Heavy: They are shorter but weigh more than taller cattle and because volume weighs more than height, they are deceptively heavier

Pounds Heavy: Means they weigh more. If we have the ability to weigh the animal, this becomes definitive, not subjective. If we don't have scales--and often we don't--it's important to learn to estimate weight and differences in performance. The one that weighs the most is the pounds heavy calf.

Roomy Middled: Big barreled, lots of spring in ribs, capacious

Soggy: big bellied, deep bodied, proper to heavier conditioned, soft, easy feeding looking

Stout animal: Ex.1 Big boned, huge footed, wide based, etc.
Ex.2 Thick bodied, big assed, deep quartered, bold and wide through the chest floor, etc.

Scrotal circumference: A measure of testes size obtained by measuring the distance around the testicles in the scrotum with a circular tape. Related to semen producing capacity and age at puberty of female sibs and progeny.

Scurs:  Horny tissue or rudimentary horns that are attached to the skin rather than the bony parts of the head

Super Ovulation: Process by which a cow is treated with reproductive hormones to induce her to produce more eggs than normal. (Used in Flushing Cows)

True Skeletal Width:

Wasty Middled: An indication of unfitness, loosey skinned, fatty look, kind of like the rear end of an expecting cow.

Weak Loined: Weak in the top over the loin area(middle of back). This animal appears to have a sway in their back, as opposed to a strong or straight top, which is straight from the top of the shoulder to the curve of the tail head. These animals are usually loose structured and still sounder made than cattle that "bow their top" which tend to be straighter off both ends and have less flex to the hock, knee and pastern.
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Re: Meanings of terms - Neeed Help! Updated List
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2012, 08:15:05 PM »
"Green" generally means "not ready". It often refers to body condition...if a calf is lean or lacking condition, we'd say the calf is "green". The term is also used to describe cattle that are "green broke" meaning they've been started on halter, but need more work.

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Re: Meanings of terms - Need Help!
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2012, 09:37:36 PM »
Twist = round or bottom round.  More appropriate for lambs, but could do in a pinch for steers.
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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2012, 09:31:07 AM »
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