MONTIE SOULES HIRED AS SHORTHORN EXECUTIVE SECRETARY/CEO

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BLININ

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Now this funny, why would they hire someone with no shorthorn experience! That doesn't make a lot of sense to me! Thats why I don't raise shorthorns anymore!!!!!!! Does anybody remember Stick the polled Hereford bull!!!!!!
 

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organizations typically hire someone from outside the organization for new perspective.

perhaps he can point out how the breeders need to come together with a unified message and tell them how they are sounding externally rather than internally.
 

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If he promotes the type of cattle that were raised at star lake, it's a huge disappointment in terms of the advancement/acceptability of the shorthorn breed.  The fact that he's never been involved in the breed is of no concern to me.  I just want to see him promote the breed as a viable alternative to the beef industry.
 

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Good point-the breed is like alot of them that tend to get stuck in the mud due to politically correct so-called breeding that moves further and further off the pivot of general usefullness-and truthfull documentation. Sullivan has an awefull lot of syndicated bulls that are not going to remain usefull very long even to the "lucky" few who have interests. However-he is making a genuine attempt to inject some commercial viability of sorts with: the Kieth  Lauer breeding,DMCC LTD EDITION relatives,the performance based Jungles cattle-etc. They are still basically off limits for most-but a few of those genetics are becoming available by a Minnesota breeder etc-and though they wont win any shows (unless we get another Hunsley at ringside) there could be the makings of a" prove it situation".Where these cattle will HAVE to be documented (for what its worth) A new leader could kick ass and take names-and perhaps lend some credence to the use of Shorthorns,other than as show cattle-yatta,yatta.l-Remains to be seen;theyre starting to breed black Herefords-Ive even heard that there are black Charolais,I guess Blackhorns are next LOL O0
 

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Funny hunsley let rodeo drive in  knowing his mommy was a red holstien! So guess that is how he saved the shorthorns!
 

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BLININ said:
Funny hunsley let rodeo drive in  knowing his mommy was a red holstien! So guess that is how he saved the shorthorns!// Surely you jest-I knew several people who saw Rodeo on his mother-she was a desert rat Shorthorn-that probably had some Maine in her-and he was Sired by a Chi-bull-all that stuff about Tribune being his sire etc is HOGWASH O0
 

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Monte will do nothing that every other ex secretary does, shake hands smile a lot, bide his time to see who he can get to follow his lead, or who won't care 2 cents about what he does, mainly have a job as long as possible and keep the perks that go along with the job. He gets his signature on the papers, holds court at the meetings and tries his darndest to not p***  off the wrong faction.
 

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cowman 52 said:
Monte will do nothing that every other ex secretary does, shake hands smile a lot, bide his time to see who he can get to follow his lead, or who won't care 2 cents about what he does, mainly have a job as long as possible and keep the perks that go along with the job. He gets his signature on the papers, holds court at the meetings and tries his darndest to not p***  off the wrong faction. ///Isnt that what they all do? O0
 

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I think we should give Mr Soules a fair chance. His success at Star Lake was excellent. He had started to develop a very good commercial market for Star Lake bulls prior to their dispersal. He knows cattle and he appears to be an organizer and a clear thinker. I will be surprised if he caters to any specific group of breeders, but it certainly will be hard for him to work with those breeders who have nothing good to say about him before he actually starts the job. I say he deserves a fair chance. I heard about his getting the job over a week ago, and at first I was suprised as I did not even consider him to be a possible candidate. As I have thought about this, over the past few days, I am becoming more and more pleased with this. He may not walk on water, but I think he will bring a fresh approach to the job, and that alone will be a good thing.
 

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To Trevor no it's not at all!!!! I will stand by my statement!! The truth!
 

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I've lived through more ASA Executive Secretaries than most and can honestly say not one of them had a direct, positive or negative, influence on my operation.  Not once did one of them sell one of my calves, and they shouldn't have.  That's not saying they did not have any influence, just saying that the influence they had was on the breed as a whole and not so much on me personally.  I believe Mr. Shirley came from the Hereford Association and I don't think Roger Hunsley raised Shorthons before he was hired.  In my opinion, the Executive's influence should be felt breed and industry wide and in all facets or production.  The show ring is part of every breed whether you like it or not.  The breed needs to take advantage of that opportunity and expand on it.  Commercial acceptance and relevancy needs to be more far reaching and efforts need to grow in that arena, too.  The Executive Secretary's responsibilities are to all concerns, not just one or two.  Let's take advantage of what we've got and run with it.  Who cares if so and so is successful selling show calves.  Who cares if so an so is successful selling bulls strictly by the EPDs.  The Executive Secretary will promote the breed as a whole and to think he's going to cater to a particular person or segment is unfair.  It would be unwise to focus on one single facet at the expense of another.  Improve your own product, promote it, and sell it for a profit.  Let everybody else do the same and quit worrying about what they're doing.  
 

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Does the meat case need/want csb?

To me, cab is more about selling breeding stock than it is quality meat.

Under what circumstances would the association promote using Fullbloods as resulting calves are 7/8 and those calves are 15/16ths.

 

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Hopefully under no circumstances will the association promote mongrel bulls. Especially ones with stocking legs.  What an embarrassment for shorthorns to have to incorporate another breed. 

Unfortunately, with a limited promotion budget, one segment will be advertised over the other.  In the past, that's sadly been the big fluffy ear side.

 

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knabe said:
Does the meat case need/want csb?

To me, cab is more about selling breeding stock than it is quality meat.

Under what circumstances would the association promote using Fullbloods as resulting calves are 7/8 and those calves are 15/16ths. // Although Hunsleys alterior motives including making Cagwin rich-he did institute  the appendix program-and there is still a sustantial (old0 fullblood influence from the Trump-KABA breeding-with Cunia, Chis (Dreambost-Rodeo Drive) and Kaba MR T,KABA Snowball- O0
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a thread on here concerning the Shorthorn breed that would make any young person on steer planet want to buy into or become involved with the breed. 
 

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Hopefully under no circumstances will the association promote mongrel bulls. Especially ones with stocking legs.  What an embarrassment for shorthorns to have to incorporate another breed. 

Unfortunately, with a limited promotion budget, one segment will be advertised over the other.  In the past, that's sadly been the big fluffy ear side.

so CF trump is an embarrassment and any other shorthorns that were derived from using maine's like barkhursts and many others.
 

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If it is an embarrassment to incorporate other blood into a breed of cattle, then there at least 50 breeds that should be extremely red-faced for infusing Shorthorns into their formative genetic pool.  I guess all Exotic breeds of cattle should hide their faces in shame because of the amount of outside blood in their current herdbook.  How many fullblood Limousin, Simmental, Maine-Anjou, Chis, etc., are there?  Come to think of it, how many true purebred Angus are there?  How many 70-80's era Angus had Holstein, Limousin, Maine, or Chi in them, as long as they typed?  Wasn't there a fairly recent line of Herefords noted for gray white face progeny?  Maybe a little Simmental in there?  At least Shorthorn breeders, most of them anyway, were upfront about it.  When I used Capone, it said so on the pedigree.  I knew a young Angus breeder that raised a Capone sired heifer in the 70's.  The heifer blood typed purebred Angus, so he showed her at the National Angus Junior Heifer show in Des Moines.  She won her class.  Afterwards, he sold the heifer to a well known Angus herd in Illinois.  He asked them if they wanted the Angus or Maine paper.  They took both.  I was standing right there.  I suppose my jaw hit the ground.  By the way, there were white socked Shorthorns long before Maines hit Plymouth Rock.
 
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