More corn

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

https://gizmodo.com/researchers-just-solved-one-of-the-biggest-problems-for-1776808813

WinterSpringsFarm · Apr 7, 2019

Sure, because the prices already aren't in the crapper because we grow more than we need.

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

Ag. professing to be capitalistic, but then, not.

Get rid of ag subsidies.

Subsidies too high.

Iowa corn subsidies ridiculous.

More corn from less land so land can be used for something else or nothing.

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-04-05-corn-air-pollution-deaths

WinterSpringsFarm · Apr 7, 2019

knabe said:
Ag. professing to be capitalistic, but then, not.

Get rid of ag subsidies.

Subsidies too high.

Iowa corn subsidies ridiculous.

More corn from less land so land can be used for something else or nothing.

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-04-05-corn-air-pollution-deaths

I sure hope you talk with more sense than you type. What the hell are you actually trying to say?

Edit to add- that article seems pretty liberal based. Knabe have you ever grown corn? Or know anything about it? My assumption is probably not. But then again you know what they say about assumptions.

My thoughts here are that most other land uses will be more detrimental to the environment and human health than growing corn.

RyanChandler · Apr 7, 2019

Elaborate on how having grown corn before qualifies one , then and only then (in your opinion), to speak to the environmental impacts ?

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

Trigger alert. I apologize in advance for triggering those easily triggered by sourcing information from biased sources and triggering bias that is easily triggered by bias that triggers easily those that are triggerable and having too much return of triggering from so little effort of triggering subconsciously those so easily triggerable that need help with their triggerability that even mentioning triggering is triggering.

https://phys.org/news/2010-09-phosphorus-runoff-farming.html

WinterSpringsFarm · Apr 7, 2019

knabe said:
I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

Other than telling us how much you think you know, because of the degree and all. How about you answer my questions? How many acres of corn have you grown in Kansas and California? I figure it has to be thousands upon thousands of acres....cause those 2 states are so well known for it. And just curious how did you grow it and what were the yields?

Have you or do you make a living off of corn? And once again what kind of land use would you feel is better for than the environment?

I'll talk about growing corn....and other row crops all day long, and I don't have a degree. You see making a living doing it day in and day out tends to teach you a few things those universities don't. So am I triggered by your comments...sure. But love having discussions with people like yourself.

And for the record, yes take away the subsidies. It would sort the men from the boys IMO. But let's not just remove it from farming, lets remove them all.

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

bless your heart.

i'm sure there are plenty of topics using your logic you have no right to comment on but do so endlessly.

trevorgreycattleco · Apr 7, 2019

WinterSpringsFarm said:
knabe said:

I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

Click to expand...

Other than telling us how much you think you know, because of the degree and all. How about you answer my questions? How many acres of corn have you grown in Kansas and California? I figure it has to be thousands upon thousands of acres....cause those 2 states are so well known for it. And just curious how did you grow it and what were the yields?

Have you or do you make a living off of corn? And once again what kind of land use would you feel is better for than the environment?

I'll talk about growing corn....and other row crops all day long, and I don't have a degree. You see making a living doing it day in and day out tends to teach you a few things those universities don't. So am I triggered by your comments...sure. But love having discussions with people like yourself.

And for the record, yes take away the subsidies. It would sort the men from the boys IMO. But let's not just remove it from farming, lets remove them all.

I’ll bite. Do you need field tile? Do you graze livestock in a rotation with your grain crops? Do you practice tillage? Corn and bean production have killed rural America’s diversity. Not to mention our health in general. Glyphosate residuals are showing up more and more. Monocultures exist nowhere in nature. How you farm doesn’t separate the men from the boys. It insures future generations a food source. In farming, you are either killing the soil or building it. Which are you?

mark tenenbaum · Apr 7, 2019

knabe said:
bless your heart.

i'm sure there are plenty of topics using your logic you have no right to comment on but do so endlessly. ELABORATE ON A "RIGHT TO COMMENT"-iS THIS GAINED BY: ACADEMIC PROWESS,A POLITICAL AFFILIATION, OR CASH AND CARRY?

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

mark tenenbaum said:
ELABORATE ON A "RIGHT TO COMMENT"-iS THIS GAINED BY: ACADEMIC PROWESS,A POLITICAL AFFILIATION, OR CASH AND CARRY?

appears to be arbitrary.

so what about the corn? pretty cool eh?

i think college grads, and some not college grads make the seed corn one plants.

perhaps you would rather they not have degrees for you to purchase their corn.

i'm not sure where your logic falls apart fastest.

some appear to want to rule on who can and who can't comment and the rules seem pretty complex, yet somehow inconsistent.

it reminds me of a tyrant.

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

pretty cool corn eh?

less inputs, less pollution, less fuel, more potential diversity. i think it's pretty amazing.

WinterSpringsFarm · Apr 7, 2019

E6 Durhams said:
WinterSpringsFarm said:

knabe said:

I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

Click to expand...

Other than telling us how much you think you know, because of the degree and all. How about you answer my questions? How many acres of corn have you grown in Kansas and California? I figure it has to be thousands upon thousands of acres....cause those 2 states are so well known for it. And just curious how did you grow it and what were the yields?

Have you or do you make a living off of corn? And once again what kind of land use would you feel is better for than the environment?

I'll talk about growing corn....and other row crops all day long, and I don't have a degree. You see making a living doing it day in and day out tends to teach you a few things those universities don't. So am I triggered by your comments...sure. But love having discussions with people like yourself.

And for the record, yes take away the subsidies. It would sort the men from the boys IMO. But let's not just remove it from farming, lets remove them all.

Click to expand...

I’ll bite. Do you need field tile? Do you graze livestock in a rotation with your grain crops? Do you practice tillage? Corn and bean production have killed rural America’s diversity. Not to mention our health in general. Glyphosate residuals are showing up more and more. Monocultures exist nowhere in nature. How you farm doesn’t separate the men from the boys. It insures future generations a food source. In farming, you are either killing the soil or building it. Which are you?

Do I need field tile- it would be nice, but don't have any
Do I rotate cattle on crop ground- not often, but occasionally
Do I practice tillage- only when necessary
Not sure how you figure either you are killing the soil or building it, please elaborate on that. Also please elaborate on glyphosate residuals, I'm always entertained by these debates. Be sure to give me some university studies too. :

So E6 how do you farm?

knabe · Apr 7, 2019

Do you buy PhD free corn?

beebe · Apr 8, 2019

E6 Durhams said:
WinterSpringsFarm said:

knabe said:

I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

Click to expand...

Other than telling us how much you think you know, because of the degree and all. How about you answer my questions? How many acres of corn have you grown in Kansas and California? I figure it has to be thousands upon thousands of acres....cause those 2 states are so well known for it. And just curious how did you grow it and what were the yields?

Have you or do you make a living off of corn? And once again what kind of land use would you feel is better for than the environment?

I'll talk about growing corn....and other row crops all day long, and I don't have a degree. You see making a living doing it day in and day out tends to teach you a few things those universities don't. So am I triggered by your comments...sure. But love having discussions with people like yourself.

And for the record, yes take away the subsidies. It would sort the men from the boys IMO. But let's not just remove it from farming, lets remove them all.

Click to expand...

I’ll bite. Do you need field tile? Do you graze livestock in a rotation with your grain crops? Do you practice tillage? Corn and bean production have killed rural America’s diversity. Not to mention our health in general. Glyphosate residuals are showing up more and more. Monocultures exist nowhere in nature. How you farm doesn’t separate the men from the boys. It insures future generations a food source. In farming, you are either killing the soil or building it. Which are you?
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Thank you E6. You nailed it. We have lost half the organic matter in our soil in this country. Regenerative agriculture is growing and the direction we need to go.

WinterSpringsFarm · Apr 8, 2019

beebe said:
E6 Durhams said:

WinterSpringsFarm said:

knabe said:

I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

Click to expand...

Other than telling us how much you think you know, because of the degree and all. How about you answer my questions? How many acres of corn have you grown in Kansas and California? I figure it has to be thousands upon thousands of acres....cause those 2 states are so well known for it. And just curious how did you grow it and what were the yields?

Have you or do you make a living off of corn? And once again what kind of land use would you feel is better for than the environment?

I'll talk about growing corn....and other row crops all day long, and I don't have a degree. You see making a living doing it day in and day out tends to teach you a few things those universities don't. So am I triggered by your comments...sure. But love having discussions with people like yourself.

And for the record, yes take away the subsidies. It would sort the men from the boys IMO. But let's not just remove it from farming, lets remove them all.

Click to expand...

I’ll bite. Do you need field tile? Do you graze livestock in a rotation with your grain crops? Do you practice tillage? Corn and bean production have killed rural America’s diversity. Not to mention our health in general. Glyphosate residuals are showing up more and more. Monocultures exist nowhere in nature. How you farm doesn’t separate the men from the boys. It insures future generations a food source. In farming, you are either killing the soil or building it. Which are you?
[/quote
Thank you E6. You nailed it. We have lost half the organic matter in our soil in this country. Regenerative agriculture is growing and the direction we need to go.

Click to expand...

Won't argue that organic matter is great, and that its a real issue. Also wont argue that a corn and bean rotation is bad for soils. And pretty sure I didn't argue that. I think what I stated was take away the subsidies and the real farmers (men) would come out on top because before the subsidies all the things E6 was referring to were practiced, other than no till.

My real argument to Knabe was producing MORE when there is already tons! And then I wanted to hear his alternative land use plans. Which he has dodged several times. In fact I'd love to hear how everyone else is farming and making a living.....not hobby.

trevorgreycattleco · Apr 8, 2019

WinterSpringsFarm said:
E6 Durhams said:

WinterSpringsFarm said:

knabe said:

I apologize for having a degree in agronomy and for growing corn and other crops in Kansas and California. Other similar information is probably irrelevant as well.

Thanks for being a fan. Your use of the old saying use is an incorrect application. You only implicated yourself.

In reality, your employ of the straw man attack was decent. Sort of Bernie Sanders like.

I know. Triggering right? Sorry about that.

Click to expand...

Other than telling us how much you think you know, because of the degree and all. How about you answer my questions? How many acres of corn have you grown in Kansas and California? I figure it has to be thousands upon thousands of acres....cause those 2 states are so well known for it. And just curious how did you grow it and what were the yields?

Have you or do you make a living off of corn? And once again what kind of land use would you feel is better for than the environment?

I'll talk about growing corn....and other row crops all day long, and I don't have a degree. You see making a living doing it day in and day out tends to teach you a few things those universities don't. So am I triggered by your comments...sure. But love having discussions with people like yourself.

And for the record, yes take away the subsidies. It would sort the men from the boys IMO. But let's not just remove it from farming, lets remove them all.

Click to expand...

I’ll bite. Do you need field tile? Do you graze livestock in a rotation with your grain crops? Do you practice tillage? Corn and bean production have killed rural America’s diversity. Not to mention our health in general. Glyphosate residuals are showing up more and more. Monocultures exist nowhere in nature. How you farm doesn’t separate the men from the boys. It insures future generations a food source. In farming, you are either killing the soil or building it. Which are you?

Click to expand...

Do I need field tile- it would be nice, but don't have any
Do I rotate cattle on crop ground- not often, but occasionally
Do I practice tillage- only when necessary
Not sure how you figure either you are killing the soil or building it, please elaborate on that. Also please elaborate on glyphosate residuals, I'm always entertained by these debates. Be sure to give me some university studies too. :

So E6 how do you farm?

It’s all out there to read. There is no point in debating you when you have the attitude of know it all. If you don’t know about carbon sequestration in the soil using cover crops and grazing, don’t realize how tillage kills soil, then carry on. Let me guess you were born into a crop operation and you’ve grown corn your whole life. You’re an expert. Building soil or killing it is a simple concept. One a corn grower as yourself should already know.

knabe · Apr 8, 2019

More corn won’t be produced unless subsidized.

I’m pretty sure real farmers (men), can figure out what to do with the land on their own, like hunting ground.

What do real women do?

The following jobs were on teams of real men and women, some large teams, some small.
I used to make a living breeding corn, finding and deploying molecular markers for crop improvement. Then switched to a private sector job to sequence the human genome, then switched to academic job doing the same. Then sequenced most of the human genes, mouse and a few others to place in expression vectors so that researchers around the world could simply request them for a nominal fee. Then switched to a heart disease test using rna expression, then did something similar with antibodies in a variety of diseases. Now working on a test to detect cancer at stage 1 and 2. Lots of other manly stuff along the way.

knabe · Apr 8, 2019

Still no comment on how cool the corn is.

More corn

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