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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2019, 11:33:24 AM »
Bulls look like the kind that can put the Shorthorn's back into some relevance in the real beef world. Good cattle!! <beer>

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2019, 10:01:51 AM »
So, for tenderness and marbling, any suggestion for molecular markers?
Igenity is a good source?
Will analise some animals and wish not expend time and money on non accurate tests.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2019, 10:51:36 AM »
Back in the early to mid-2000s, the folks at Waukaru were testing at least some of their bulls with the old GeneStar marker tests - and making that info available to people who were interested. 
Now, as to whether or not those markers were even applicable to Shorthorns, I don't know... though some on this board may.  Are the newer genomic tests applicable to SH... or principally to Angus... I'm presuming that a predominantly AN population was used in formulating those tests...

We did take those genomic test results into consideration  in the past when we were using some Shorthorn sires here.  Waukaru Coppertop 464 had 4 of 6 GeneStar tenderness markers and 2 of 4 marbling gene markers, and got moderate use here for that reason, among others. 
Several of the Angus sires we were using at that same time had 5 or 6 of the 6 tenderness gene markers identified by the GeneStar test.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2019, 05:55:18 PM »
Thanks Lucky.
So, if SHO show a better resuly on GeneStar using AA markers, it's superior to blackies!
Also, maybe Waukaru are really poor!.
Will analyse my ones!
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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2019, 09:17:28 AM »
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I'd not then (or now) seen other Shorthorn breeders testing for  or making test results available to the public for the tenderness and marbling gene markers, so I wouldn't say that the Waukaru sires were poor, at all.
Waukaru Coppertop was the 'top of the heap' for genomic value at that time(IMO)... other Waukaru bulls available at that time had 2 of 6 tenderness gene markers and 0 of the 4 marbling gene markers... but no other breeders with AI sires in the ASA AI Sire catalog were displaying tenderness or marbling genomic test results.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2019, 03:52:58 PM »
sounds to me like some of you folks are chasing your tail.  I've never eaten a heavily marbled steak that wasn't tender.

I had heard at the time that the old Gene star test wasn't even applicable for shorthorns, despite SH breeders continuing to send in samples giving them free money.   

I was at Loving sale in 2012 or so and Merle Welch bought both of the high selling bulls: One for like 13 grand the other 6 or 8 ish.   j
Few years later I got a call seeing if I were interested in those two bulls.  Apparently they had the bulls tested through Gene star and they did poorly so the bulls got little to no use. I was heavy on bulls at the time so didn't buy them but whoever did got a steal as they weren't asking much for them at that point. Weird situation altogether.  I just can't imagine dropping 20 grand on two bulls, and then allowing a 3rd party, whose science is questionable at best, to dictate breeding decisions to the point that you don't even use those bulls  :o   
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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2019, 07:01:52 PM »
Have you eaten a poorly marbled steak that was tender?

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2019, 08:30:10 AM »
I believe the bulls were originally purchased with the intent on selling semen since the buyer had few if any cows.  Sometimes things don't work out as planned.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2019, 08:32:07 AM »
Have you eaten a poorly marbled steak that was tender?


yes

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2019, 08:35:49 AM »
I just can't imagine dropping 20 grand on two bulls, and then allowing a 3rd party, whose science is questionable at best, to dictate breeding decisions to the point that you don't even use those bulls  :o


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peer review.  there is currently NO process to independently verify tenderness. that's why there is a 1 year backlog on Piedmontese bulls right now. yeah, they don't marble even remotely, but they are really tender. the filet is probably almost too tender for some.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2019, 08:37:27 AM »
So, for tenderness and marbling, any suggestion for molecular markers?
Igenity is a good source?
Will analise some animals and wish not expend time and money on non accurate tests.


nothing works.


there is NO independent verification. 


retained ownership is the best way to get marbling data.


tenderness testing is a joke.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2019, 09:19:22 AM »
Have you eaten a poorly marbled steak that was tender?


yes

Me too.  I have people that prefer less fat but tender steak.

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Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2019, 09:22:46 AM »
So, for tenderness and marbling, any suggestion for molecular markers?
Igenity is a good source?
Will analise some animals and wish not expend time and money on non accurate tests.
Are you saying Dr. Allen Williams ultrasound program does not work?  He claims 85% accuracy?


nothing works.


there is NO independent verification. 


retained ownership is the best way to get marbling data.


tenderness testing is a joke.

 

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